Haye vs Wlad Klitschko

[AdamGB]

Wlad by KO in 1st.

Easy Tiger... haye still has to beat Enzo Mac first...

I wonder if that rumoured Hatton-Pacquio fight will ever get signed.








































Or when people will stop randomly bumping up old threads on subjects that have been discussed to death.

[benevolent anarchist]

I think it was very smart for Wlad to take this fight now and stupid for Haye. If Wlad destroys Haye, (which is how I see it) Haye will look foolish. I also don't think Haye expected Wlad to take him on this soon, instead believing Wlad would fight his mandatory's thus allowing time to become more comfortable as a HW while continuing to talk more trash, hyping the fight. Oh well, too late; it's on!

Wlad 1.0 considered himself invincible, charging forward with reckless abandon, which got him in trouble against Brewster 1, but Wlad 2.0 typically plays it safe against big men; using his stiff jab and excellent conditioning to wear a fighter down. However, he fights with confidence and viciousness against lighter and/or less experienced fighters which is how I see Haye in the HW division, and I believe that he will jump on him early and try to punish him. We'll see.

[El Kabong]

I've stated in several threads that Wlad is too experienced for David Haye. Sure Haye has a shot to beat Wladimir but Sam Peter did as well.

I think the gravity of the situation will get to David Haye, he talks a bunch and I think he's trying to calm himself down a bit because when the "biggest fights" of your career are Enzo Maccarinelli and Monte Barrett then fighting THE Heavyweight Champion is a gigantic step up.

I don't blame the David Haye fans for supporting him, I just think they are lost in the myth of their favorite fighter and they don't take a rational look at who he has fought and what has happened to him in previous fights.

Look at Wladimir right before the Corrie Sanders fight, he was trying to secure a fight vs Lennox Lewis and not even looking back in hindsight NOBODY but the Wlad fans gave him a shot because of? EXPERIENCE and hell back then Wladimir still had a record of 40-1! David Haye may be quick and he may be flashy and have power but Wladimir is a dominant fighter and he's not going to be flustered by Haye especially if David gets nervous.

A nervous fighter is doesn't move his head, is too deliberate in throwing punches, throws wider, you can see the punches coming, and they tire out from using up their energy by nervous movement that does nothing to their opponent.

I don't remember the last time Wlad has been this serious about a fight, I think he is telling everyone it's going 12 to set Haye up for an EARLY KO. I wonder who Lennox is picking?

[El Kabong]

Also David Haye was KNOCKED DOWN vs Monte Barrett that is a FACT....this "He slipped" bullcrap just doesn't add up. If you SLIP you do it without being punched, Monte caught Haye coming in wild as hell as he in prone to do and popped him and David fell down. There is no SLIP about it.



Sorry, I just get pissed off about that

[Slowmotion426]

Can't wait to see Wlad in action again.

[pacman79]

Can't wait to see Wlad in action again.

Are you finding it hard to sleep pr something?

[Gandalf]

Can't wait to see Wlad in action again.

Are you finding it hard to sleep pr something?

Wlad is a bit of a thumping bore really. I cannot recall an interesting show that he has put on in recent times.

[Slowmotion426]

Can't wait to see Wlad in action again.

Are you finding it hard to sleep pr something?

YES!!

[AdamGB]

Also David Haye was KNOCKED DOWN vs Monte Barrett that is a FACT....this "He slipped" bullcrap just doesn't add up. If you SLIP you do it without being punched, Monte caught Haye coming in wild as hell as he in prone to do and popped him and David fell down. There is no SLIP about it.



Sorry, I just get pissed off about that

Yes Lyle... I agree.

It's a well known fact that

a) it is impossible for a punch to push an off balance fighter over, ANY contact that results in a fighter falling MUST be the result of the contact shocking the central nervous system and causing the muscles to fully relax - eg: a Knock Down

b) when a fighter is slipping a force field appears around them making them impossible to hit - ergo if a punch does hit a falling fighter than they CANNOT possibly be slipping because it proves that there is no force field around them at this time, which would clearly indicate slipping.

You're right... it just doesn't add up I say!!
(above post may contain sarcasm)

[leftylee]

Haye easy KO under 4.

[fila907]

Now Wlad ant all that..Even though Hayes may not be the guy to take him out or down.Wlad hasnt had a real fight since Lewis if u asked me.His skills got showcased against another fighter that was on his level.Peters Please That credit should be shot for the simple fact he couldnt put James Toney away,who moved all the way from middle weight.Thats proof of sloppy hand work.Not to take anything from Toney the best defense in the sport.But if Peters looked sloppy against Tony but Floored Wlad three times.Lack of defense on Wlad part.So he can be beat an his time is comen very soon.Hayes like the guy said earlier has quick hands good Cross.If he can get inside an land it who knows but thats gonna be a long 12 rounds..Last thing this is one reason boxing is losen it's sting.The lack of good match ups..Hayes could be fighting Dawson right now.Better fight more competetive i think they would bring out the best in each other..

[leftylee]

Also David Haye was KNOCKED DOWN vs Monte Barrett that is a FACT....this "He slipped" bullcrap just doesn't add up. If you SLIP you do it without being punched, Monte caught Haye coming in wild as hell as he in prone to do and popped him and David fell down. There is no SLIP about it.



Sorry, I just get pissed off about that

You know what if it makes you feel that Wlad will now have a better shot at Haye cuz Barrett put him down or Haye really cant take a heavyweight punch, then go and believe it. Only a fool would think Barrett legitimately knocked him down. But as the fool you are you believe it. Don't matter though. Your only kidding yourself. And June 20th I'm gonna be right here to confirm it.

[Bukom Battler]

I am a Haye fan but I guess that makes me a fool. I genuinely thought Haye was KD'd. Not necessarily hurt but still KD'd.

Do not see Anybody winning this in 1 unless Haye rushes in like a maniac and gets clipped.

Good points raised by Lyle about quality of opposition but do not believe Haye will get nervous.

Pick em fight for me. I am on the fence for the mo and will decide closer to the time but Wlad has to be favourite at the mo.

[El Kabong]

AdamGB, when someone SLIPS it might be because they are on a decal on the Ring surface which doesn't have good traction, it might be because water is on the ring OR it might be because they wandered into an ice skating rink. Did Haye lose his footing? Did he simply lose his balance? Or did a tiny little punch send Haye down because he was off balance? And if that's the case then you MUST rule it a knockdown. I'm not saying he was close to knocking Haye out, I just find it very odd that everyone that is a Haye fan is up in arms over a KNOCKDOWN being called a KNOCKDOWN...it seems that Haye's fans are more than aware of his weak chin and have become overly defensive about it. Just go ahead and admit you're worried about the fight...admit that you fear for David Haye's safety and if David doesn't land the first haymaker he throws then he should just fall down and get counted out.

leftylee, it's not about Monte hurting Haye it's about an unskilled fighter knocking down a guy who is supposed to be worthy of a title shot and not get caught off balance as he did, it shows poor footwork, poor judgment, and shows that David Haye's biggest problem is himself, he thinks too highly of himself although I doubt that will be the case come fight night. If Monte Barrett can take advantage of David Haye being off balance and put him down (and he did EXACTLY that) then what the fuck is a faaaaaar superior boxer like Wladimir Klitschko going to do with Haye Wlad may knock Haye down with a jab...I wouldn't be surprised at all if it happened.

This is going to be a fight where David Haye gets welcomed to Big Time Boxing....and my prediction is that Big Time Boxing is going to make David Haye it's bitch

[Memphis]

I've stated in several threads that Wlad is too experienced for David Haye.

Yeah I think I remember you mentioning it once or twice.