nigel benn on roy jones

[Taeth]

Jones was untoucable back in the day. He was more invincible looking than Floyd or Shane looked in their primes.

Benn knew teh score and he was honest enough to admit it by that Nardiello fight was his first on sky and I dont think the sky bosses liked it cuz someone made him take that staement back . In his next fight vs Danny Perez on the Bruno undercard, Benn said I want to be number 1 second to nobody! but in that interview he said he didnt mind being number 2 to roy Jones

jones was indeed completely untouchable against everybody he fought

But i still cant help but think the likes of toney/mccullum were never quite the equal of benn/eubank who at the time were world class champions who never got a real go stateside!

Jones in his apparent "untouchable" prime fought a hell of a lot of complete unknowns!!

Not trying to sound condescending, but Toney and McCullum are two of the finest fighters of the last twenty years in all of boxing, Benn and Eubanks fall spectacularly short of these two.

[HattonTheHammer]

Jones was untoucable back in the day. He was more invincible looking than Floyd or Shane looked in their primes.

Benn knew teh score and he was honest enough to admit it by that Nardiello fight was his first on sky and I dont think the sky bosses liked it cuz someone made him take that staement back . In his next fight vs Danny Perez on the Bruno undercard, Benn said I want to be number 1 second to nobody! but in that interview he said he didnt mind being number 2 to roy Jones

jones was indeed completely untouchable against everybody he fought

But i still cant help but think the likes of toney/mccullum were never quite the equal of benn/eubank who at the time were world class champions who never got a real go stateside!

Jones in his apparent "untouchable" prime fought a hell of a lot of complete unknowns!!

Not trying to sound condescending, but Toney and McCullum are two of the finest fighters of the last twenty years in all of boxing, Benn and Eubanks fall spectacularly short of these two.

you may have an argument for mccullum but i really dont see what the fascination was with toney.

Benn/Eubank were primarily seen by the american tv companys promoting jones as too big a risk for too little to gain hence the reason they never got to make their make stateside.

Had they of been in their prime nowadays ive no doubts in my mind both would currently be able to walk through the likes of kessler, froch, bute

[JazMerkin]

jones was indeed completely untouchable against everybody he fought

But i still cant help but think the likes of toney/mccullum were never quite the equal of benn/eubank who at the time were world class champions who never got a real go stateside!

Jones in his apparent "untouchable" prime fought a hell of a lot of complete unknowns!!

Not trying to sound condescending, but Toney and McCullum are two of the finest fighters of the last twenty years in all of boxing, Benn and Eubanks fall spectacularly short of these two.

you may have an argument for mccullum but i really dont see what the fascination was with toney.

Benn/Eubank were primarily seen by the american tv companys promoting jones as too big a risk for too little to gain hence the reason they never got to make their make stateside.

Had they of been in their prime nowadays ive no doubts in my mind both would currently be able to walk through the likes of kessler, froch, bute

I disagree in that I think Toney was one hell of a fighter, and if he had of had a good attitude, he would've really been something special, he's an amazingly naturally gifted fighter, just without almost any resolve or dedication to the sport.

I agree these guys in their prime would walk through most of the MW/SMW of present. I also think that some in the US drastically underrate the likes of Eubank & Benn. I don't think Benn would of beaten Jones, particularly not post-McClellan but he would have given him a good fight. Would have been better than RJJ fighting punching bags like Thornton

[HattonTheHammer]

Not trying to sound condescending, but Toney and McCullum are two of the finest fighters of the last twenty years in all of boxing, Benn and Eubanks fall spectacularly short of these two.

you may have an argument for mccullum but i really dont see what the fascination was with toney.

Benn/Eubank were primarily seen by the american tv companys promoting jones as too big a risk for too little to gain hence the reason they never got to make their make stateside.

Had they of been in their prime nowadays ive no doubts in my mind both would currently be able to walk through the likes of kessler, froch, bute

I disagree in that I think Toney was one hell of a fighter, and if he had of had a good attitude, he would've really been something special, he's an amazingly naturally gifted fighter, just without almost any resolve or dedication to the sport.

I agree these guys in their prime would walk through most of the MW/SMW of present. I also think that some in the US drastically underrate the likes of Eubank & Benn. I don't think Benn would of beaten Jones, particularly not post-McClellan but he would have given him a good fight. Would have been better than RJJ fighting punching bags like Thornton

Eubank would of had a far greater opportunity of beating jones than benn would of done

Nigel for all his heart and spirit was at times too aggresive a fighter and often got caught out coming in which i suspect jones would of been able to do all night long.

Eubank on the other hand had the power and the ability to box off the back foot. Instead of attempting to weigh in at jones for 12rds he would of bided his moments and picked his attacks.

Jones-Eubank both in their primes would of been a complete pick`em fight!!

[Kirkland Laing]

you may have an argument for mccullum but i really dont see what the fascination was with toney.

Benn/Eubank were primarily seen by the american tv companys promoting jones as too big a risk for too little to gain hence the reason they never got to make their make stateside.

Had they of been in their prime nowadays ive no doubts in my mind both would currently be able to walk through the likes of kessler, froch, bute

I disagree in that I think Toney was one hell of a fighter, and if he had of had a good attitude, he would've really been something special, he's an amazingly naturally gifted fighter, just without almost any resolve or dedication to the sport.

I agree these guys in their prime would walk through most of the MW/SMW of present. I also think that some in the US drastically underrate the likes of Eubank & Benn. I don't think Benn would of beaten Jones, particularly not post-McClellan but he would have given him a good fight. Would have been better than RJJ fighting punching bags like Thornton

Eubank would of had a far greater opportunity of beating jones than benn would of done

Nigel for all his heart and spirit was at times too aggresive a fighter and often got caught out coming in which i suspect jones would of been able to do all night long.

Eubank on the other hand had the power and the ability to box off the back foot. Instead of attempting to weigh in at jones for 12rds he would of bided his moments and picked his attacks.

Jones-Eubank both in their primes would of been a complete pick`em fight!!

No.

[ICB]

Both Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, although i did used to love watching em, would of got taught a lesson by Roy Jones Jr. Nigel Benn in his prime was struggling with the likes of Henry Wharton, Thulani Malinga.

And Chris Eubank was struggling with the likes of Tony Thorton, Ray Close, Dan Schommer. Fighters that Roy Jones Jr would toy with and he did toy with two of em Thulani Malinga, Tony Thorton.

Nigel Benn has a chance of a one punch KO but remember Roy Jones Jr, could hit very hard at Super Middleweight. And Nigel Benn's chin wasn't exactly granite either and he did leave his chin exposed. Nigel Benn would of been destroyed within 6 rounds.

Chris Eubank would of survived the distance but he would of made it, a negative awkward fight for Roy Jones Jr. And it would have been a snoozefest 12 round decision for Roy Jones Jr, i can't see Roy Jones Jr stopping Chris Eubank after i see Chris Eubank move all the way up to Cruiserweight.

And take bombs off a big punching Cruiserweight like Carl Thompson, and those punches didn't even wobble Chris Eubank once. The man had a legendary chin/will but he would be no match for Roy Jones Jr. And i think he even admitted that once.

[Spicoli]

Both Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, although i did used to love watching em, would of got taught a lesson by Roy Jones Jr. Nigel Benn in his prime was struggling with the likes of Henry Wharton, Thulani Malinga.

And Chris Eubank was struggling with the likes of Tony Thorton, Ray Close, Dan Schommer. Fighters that Roy Jones Jr would toy with and he did toy with two of em Thulani Malinga, Tony Thorton.

Nigel Benn has a chance of a one punch KO but remember Roy Jones Jr, could hit very hard at Super Middleweight. And Nigel Benn's chin wasn't exactly granite either and he did leave his chin exposed. Nigel Benn would of been destroyed within 6 rounds.

Chris Eubank would of survived the distance but he would of made it, a negative awkward fight for Roy Jones Jr. And it would have been a snoozefest 12 round decision for Roy Jones Jr, i can't see Roy Jones Jr stopping Chris Eubank after i see Chris Eubank move all the way up to Cruiserweight.

And take bombs off a big punching Cruiserweight like Carl Thompson, and those punches didn't even wobble Chris Eubank once. The man had a legendary chin/will but he would be no match for Roy Jones Jr. And i think he even admitted that once.

Compared to his previous do or die all bombs approach.....I actually think Benn was doing some different things at that point in with Wharton,the Eubank rematch etc leading into the McClellan fight.I saw him showing some maturity and actual boxing...setting traps and alot of head,defensive movement and punching more straight in with Wharton.He was clipped off the top of the head in 5th by Wharton but dont think he was struggling at all really.

Thing with Roy is that he would always try,and more often than not succeed,at setting the table very early and letting guys know "this is my ring,your just visiting" with sharp shots early on in the 1st,2nd round and alot of his opponents up to that point were lost after that.But he also could leave himself in dodgy spots with his follow ups,he was amazing in handspeed but not a technically sound in defense,uppercuts from the floor,wide hooks and rushing in himself.Reflex-instinct-athleticism were his keys.Around 95' point and 160-165 had ever faced a two fisted,end you with one shot possibility ever pressing threat up to that period,no not Toney,A Castro,Sosa,Brannon, etc.On paper and with hindsight being 20/20..now...He may have clipped Benn early for mass effect.But he would not go unscathed himself,Benn would not be in "awe" of moment or Jones aura or intimidated and just fall over when forced.In the minority,but then and now,I think it would have benn a toss up.Would have loved this fight,shame it never came off.

[Drago]

shame RJJ never fought benn/eubank & steve collins, gotta be that RJJ didnt want anything to do with any of them

[ICB]

Both Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, although i did used to love watching em, would of got taught a lesson by Roy Jones Jr. Nigel Benn in his prime was struggling with the likes of Henry Wharton, Thulani Malinga.

And Chris Eubank was struggling with the likes of Tony Thorton, Ray Close, Dan Schommer. Fighters that Roy Jones Jr would toy with and he did toy with two of em Thulani Malinga, Tony Thorton.

Nigel Benn has a chance of a one punch KO but remember Roy Jones Jr, could hit very hard at Super Middleweight. And Nigel Benn's chin wasn't exactly granite either and he did leave his chin exposed. Nigel Benn would of been destroyed within 6 rounds.

Chris Eubank would of survived the distance but he would of made it, a negative awkward fight for Roy Jones Jr. And it would have been a snoozefest 12 round decision for Roy Jones Jr, i can't see Roy Jones Jr stopping Chris Eubank after i see Chris Eubank move all the way up to Cruiserweight.

And take bombs off a big punching Cruiserweight like Carl Thompson, and those punches didn't even wobble Chris Eubank once. The man had a legendary chin/will but he would be no match for Roy Jones Jr. And i think he even admitted that once.

Compared to his previous do or die all bombs approach.....I actually think Benn was doing some different things at that point in with Wharton,the Eubank rematch etc leading into the McClellan fight.I saw him showing some maturity and actual boxing...setting traps and alot of head,defensive movement and punching more straight in with Wharton.He was clipped off the top of the head in 5th by Wharton but dont think he was struggling at all really.

Thing with Roy is that he would always try,and more often than not succeed,at setting the table very early and letting guys know "this is my ring,your just visiting" with sharp shots early on in the 1st,2nd round and alot of his opponents up to that point were lost after that.But he also could leave himself in dodgy spots with his follow ups,he was amazing in handspeed but not a technically sound in defense,uppercuts from the floor,wide hooks and rushing in himself.Reflex-instinct-athleticism were his keys.Around 95' point and 160-165 had ever faced a two fisted,end you with one shot possibility ever pressing threat up to that period,no not Toney,A Castro,Sosa,Brannon, etc.On paper and with hindsight being 20/20..now...He may have clipped Benn early for mass effect.But he would not go unscathed himself,Benn would not be in "awe" of moment or Jones aura or intimidated and just fall over when forced.In the minority,but then and now,I think it would have benn a toss up.Would have loved this fight,shame it never came off.

Nigel Benn did mature alot as a fighter after his losses to Watson, Eubank, you are right about that. But he did still have alot of trouble against Henry Wharton, he was knocked down legitmately and he faded down the stretch. And i thought he only just about won by about 2 rounds, and thats because Henry Wharton got off to a very bad start losing the first 4 rounds.

He also did have alot of trouble against Thulani Malinga, and some people felt he was lucky to get the decision. Nigel Benn for all his improvements which was mostly his head movement and his more controlled boxing. Still left his chin in the air and although we all know Roy Jones Jr never had the best chin in the world, neither did Nigel Benn and even though Nigel Benn hits harder than Roy Jones Jr.

Roy Jones Jr could still hit pretty damn hard at Super Middleweight, Roy Jones Jr may of not been technically sound i've always said that, but at his best he was very hard to hit clean with a power shot. I mean you know how good someone is. When in his prime you can count on one hand the amount of times he was hit with a really solid shot.

One last thing you are right Roy Jones Jr never really met a fighter, with a 2 fisted attack who could bomb you out with one punch. But Merqui Sosa was no slouch in the power department, and he tried to swarm Roy Jones Jr and was just ripped apart with counter shots, he was also very durable yet he felt Roy Jones Jr's power in the first round.

I really can't see Nigel Benn lasting that long with his shaky chin, and with Roy Jones Jr's speedy counters and athletism i think i would put my money on Roy Jones Jr getting too Nigel Benn first.

[skel1983]

you may have an argument for mccullum but i really dont see what the fascination was with toney.

Benn/Eubank were primarily seen by the american tv companys promoting jones as too big a risk for too little to gain hence the reason they never got to make their make stateside.

Had they of been in their prime nowadays ive no doubts in my mind both would currently be able to walk through the likes of kessler, froch, bute

I disagree in that I think Toney was one hell of a fighter, and if he had of had a good attitude, he would've really been something special, he's an amazingly naturally gifted fighter, just without almost any resolve or dedication to the sport.

I agree these guys in their prime would walk through most of the MW/SMW of present. I also think that some in the US drastically underrate the likes of Eubank & Benn. I don't think Benn would of beaten Jones, particularly not post-McClellan but he would have given him a good fight. Would have been better than RJJ fighting punching bags like Thornton

Eubank would of had a far greater opportunity of beating jones than benn would of done

Nigel for all his heart and spirit was at times too aggresive a fighter and often got caught out coming in which i suspect jones would of been able to do all night long.

Eubank on the other hand had the power and the ability to box off the back foot. Instead of attempting to weigh in at jones for 12rds he would of bided his moments and picked his attacks.

Jones-Eubank both in their primes would of been a complete pick`em fight!!

Eubank struggled with Watson twice in his prime, Jones was on a deifferent level to anything Eubank face, Jones would easily outpoint Eubank. Easy decision for Roy.

[Taeth]

jones was indeed completely untouchable against everybody he fought

But i still cant help but think the likes of toney/mccullum were never quite the equal of benn/eubank who at the time were world class champions who never got a real go stateside!

Jones in his apparent "untouchable" prime fought a hell of a lot of complete unknowns!!

Not trying to sound condescending, but Toney and McCullum are two of the finest fighters of the last twenty years in all of boxing, Benn and Eubanks fall spectacularly short of these two.

you may have an argument for mccullum but i really dont see what the fascination was with toney.

Benn/Eubank were primarily seen by the american tv companys promoting jones as too big a risk for too little to gain hence the reason they never got to make their make stateside.

Had they of been in their prime nowadays ive no doubts in my mind both would currently be able to walk through the likes of kessler, froch, bute

Kessler, no way, he is so underrated on here. Without being able to spar or hit the bags, Kessler still gave Calzaghe one hell of a fight. Kessler is on their level.

Also watch Toney in his prime then get back to me. Maybe you haven't seen his middleweight or SMW stuff in awhile.

Benn and Eubanks didn't want to come over to the states and still not get a 50/50 split. People conveniently priced themselves out of a fights with Roy JOnes Jr.

Also to ICB, I am not sure if Roy could stop Eubanks or not, but I would be pretty sure he could hurt Eubanks, He's hurt guys with the best chins in the business like Merqui Sosa, Malinga, Castro, even James Toney he hurt to the body at one point, Reggie Johnson, Virgill Hill(a big cruiserweight now)".

[skel1983]

Not trying to sound condescending, but Toney and McCullum are two of the finest fighters of the last twenty years in all of boxing, Benn and Eubanks fall spectacularly short of these two.

you may have an argument for mccullum but i really dont see what the fascination was with toney.

Benn/Eubank were primarily seen by the american tv companys promoting jones as too big a risk for too little to gain hence the reason they never got to make their make stateside.

Had they of been in their prime nowadays ive no doubts in my mind both would currently be able to walk through the likes of kessler, froch, bute

Kessler, no way, he is so underrated on here. Without being able to spar or hit the bags, Kessler still gave Calzaghe one hell of a fight. Kessler is on their level.

Also watch Toney in his prime then get back to me. Maybe you haven't seen his middleweight or SMW stuff in awhile.

Benn and Eubanks didn't want to come over to the states and still not get a 50/50 split. People conveniently priced themselves out of a fights with Roy JOnes Jr.

Also to ICB, I am not sure if Roy could stop Eubanks or not, but I would be pretty sure he could hurt Eubanks, He's hurt guys with the best chins in the business like Merqui Sosa, Malinga, Castro, even James Toney he hurt to the body at one point, Reggie Johnson, Virgill Hill(a big cruiserweight now)".

Kessler didnt spar or hit the bags prior to the Calzaghe fight??

I think you will find he did plenty of sparring and i know for a fact and there is footage knocking about of him sparring Peter Haymar and Brian Mcgee leading upto the fight.

[skel1983]

you may have an argument for mccullum but i really dont see what the fascination was with toney.

Benn/Eubank were primarily seen by the american tv companys promoting jones as too big a risk for too little to gain hence the reason they never got to make their make stateside.

Had they of been in their prime nowadays ive no doubts in my mind both would currently be able to walk through the likes of kessler, froch, bute

Kessler, no way, he is so underrated on here. Without being able to spar or hit the bags, Kessler still gave Calzaghe one hell of a fight. Kessler is on their level.

Also watch Toney in his prime then get back to me. Maybe you haven't seen his middleweight or SMW stuff in awhile.

Benn and Eubanks didn't want to come over to the states and still not get a 50/50 split. People conveniently priced themselves out of a fights with Roy JOnes Jr.

Also to ICB, I am not sure if Roy could stop Eubanks or not, but I would be pretty sure he could hurt Eubanks, He's hurt guys with the best chins in the business like Merqui Sosa, Malinga, Castro, even James Toney he hurt to the body at one point, Reggie Johnson, Virgill Hill(a big cruiserweight now)".

Kessler didnt spar or hit the bags prior to the Calzaghe fight??

I think you will find he did plenty of sparring and i know for a fact and there is footage knocking about of him sparring Peter Haymar and Brian Mcgee leading upto the fight.

Also You must be on some good drugs if you think Eubank and Benn wanted 50/50 to fight RJJ in the States .

The reason the fights never happened is because the guy is more or less impossible to negotiate with its no coincidence RJJ resume is questioned time and time again, the Eubanks and the Benns of the world wanted a fair deal not some stupid 85/15 split similar to the one Clinton Woods and so many other RJJ opponents recieved.

[Drago]

there was so many fights RJJ could of had but chose postmen instead

[Taeth]

you may have an argument for mccullum but i really dont see what the fascination was with toney.

Benn/Eubank were primarily seen by the american tv companys promoting jones as too big a risk for too little to gain hence the reason they never got to make their make stateside.

Had they of been in their prime nowadays ive no doubts in my mind both would currently be able to walk through the likes of kessler, froch, bute

Kessler, no way, he is so underrated on here. Without being able to spar or hit the bags, Kessler still gave Calzaghe one hell of a fight. Kessler is on their level.

Also watch Toney in his prime then get back to me. Maybe you haven't seen his middleweight or SMW stuff in awhile.

Benn and Eubanks didn't want to come over to the states and still not get a 50/50 split. People conveniently priced themselves out of a fights with Roy JOnes Jr.

Also to ICB, I am not sure if Roy could stop Eubanks or not, but I would be pretty sure he could hurt Eubanks, He's hurt guys with the best chins in the business like Merqui Sosa, Malinga, Castro, even James Toney he hurt to the body at one point, Reggie Johnson, Virgill Hill(a big cruiserweight now)".

Kessler didnt spar or hit the bags prior to the Calzaghe fight??

I think you will find he did plenty of sparring and i know for a fact and there is footage knocking about of him sparring Peter Haymar and Brian Mcgee leading upto the fight.

He didn't spar for the last month because of hand injuries, nor could he seriously do bag work. I am going by what his camp said. I can't see him lying because he took the loss pretty well.