Roach says "Manny will fight shane at 142 not 147"

[ElTerribleMorales]

honestly if Roach really said this BS i think it's completely moronic, Manny wants to play the angle of being the only 7 weight champion by winning a welterweight strap, well he'd have to do it at 147, and if Shane's the one with the status of champ at that weight, well Manny has to meet Mosley's terms not vice versa

[Kel]

I saw the video of Roach saying this too, Shane should never fight below 147 for anyone it would seriously do him no good at all. I'd give Pac a lot of credit for fighting any natural 147 guy but not at silly catch weights.

[fan johnny]

You guys are so full of it! Weight advantages are just part of the game. Some play the game better than others. As a clear example "Paul Williams" has been fighting "welterweight" two weight-classes below where he should have been beating smaller guys. Hatton is another example of a fighter that has been taking advantage of smaller fighters. Unless the 24-hour weigh-in is changed to a 2-hour weigh-in then the weight thing will be an advantage some fighters can use. Roach is playing hard in the negotiations, because Mosley campaigning hard for Mega bout. Catch weight is the best Mosley can do and Roach already said after the De La Hoya fight 144lbs.

[ElTerribleMorales]

You guys are so full of it! Weight advantages are just part of the game. Some play the game better than others. As a clear example "Paul Williams" has been fighting "welterweight" two weight-classes below where he should have been beating smaller guys. Hatton is another example of a fighter that has been taking advantage of smaller fighters. Unless the 24-hour weigh-in is changed to a 2-hour weigh-in then the weight thing will be an advantage some fighters can use. Roach is playing hard in the negotiations, because Mosley campaigning hard for Mega bout. Catch weight is the best Mosley can do and Roach already said after the De La Hoya fight 144lbs.

than if he wants a catch weight he should drop all this 7 weight class champion bullshit

[XaduBoxer]

You guys are so full of it! Weight advantages are just part of the game. Some play the game better than others. As a clear example "Paul Williams" has been fighting "welterweight" two weight-classes below where he should have been beating smaller guys. Hatton is another example of a fighter that has been taking advantage of smaller fighters. Unless the 24-hour weigh-in is changed to a 2-hour weigh-in then the weight thing will be an advantage some fighters can use. Roach is playing hard in the negotiations, because Mosley campaigning hard for Mega bout. Catch weight is the best Mosley can do and Roach already said after the De La Hoya fight 144lbs.

than if he wants a catch weight he should drop all this 7 weight class champion bullshit

He can possibly get his 7th division title from a Urango or a Berto if he wants to and the only boxer to do so if successful (what a legacy!)... The 7th weight class title won't come from a Mosley or a Cotto or a Clottey...
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[XaduBoxer]

BTW, what's the fuzz about catchweights?? If the boxers agreed to fight in a catchweight then he believed he can win that fight in that catchweight...

Or he was forced to agree to a catchweight because the other boxer has more say, has more negotiating power, more popular and dictates the conditions of the fight...

Simple as that...
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[blegit]

BTW, what's the fuzz about catchweights?? If the boxers agreed to fight in a catchweight then he believed he can win that fight in that catchweight...

Or he was forced to agree to a catchweight because the other boxer has more say, has more negotiating power, more popular and dictates the conditions of the fight...

Simple as that...
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These aren't catchweights they are weight drained weights. There is a real and dangerous difference.

[XaduBoxer]

BTW, what's the fuzz about catchweights?? If the boxers agreed to fight in a catchweight then he believed he can win that fight in that catchweight...

Or he was forced to agree to a catchweight because the other boxer has more say, has more negotiating power, more popular and dictates the conditions of the fight...

Simple as that...
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These aren't catchweights they are weight drained weights. There is a real and dangerous difference.

As I've said, if the boxers agree to fight in a "weight-drained weight" then it's their sole responsibility to perform at that agreed "weight"... I think most of them agree to that "weight" and at the same time believed they can win the fight at that "weight"...

Some maybe are forced to agree to a certain "weight" but still accepted the fight because of other factors like money, moolah, dinero, fame, glory, legacy, etc.

If they (or their fans??) are really not comfortable of that certain "weight" then they should not accept the fight... Simple as that...
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[AdamGB]

BTW, what's the fuzz about catchweights?? If the boxers agreed to fight in a catchweight then he believed he can win that fight in that catchweight...

Or he was forced to agree to a catchweight because the other boxer has more say, has more negotiating power, more popular and dictates the conditions of the fight...

Simple as that...
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So first you say that Mosely wants to fight at 142 (It has nothing to do with getting a paid of course) and then you say that he has to fight at 142 because Pac is the bigger name right now.



Either way he is getting coaxed past his fighting weight with the promise of a massive Pay Day... Roach knows exactly what he is doing... don't see how even the biggest pac groupie can deny it.

[XaduBoxer]

BTW, what's the fuzz about catchweights?? If the boxers agreed to fight in a catchweight then he believed he can win that fight in that catchweight...

Or he was forced to agree to a catchweight because the other boxer has more say, has more negotiating power, more popular and dictates the conditions of the fight...

Simple as that...
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So first you say that Mosely wants to fight at 142 (It has nothing to do with getting a paid of course) and then you say that he has to fight at 142 because Pac is the bigger name right now.



Either way he is getting coaxed past his fighting weight with the promise of a massive Pay Day... Roach knows exactly what he is doing... don't see how even the biggest pac groupie can deny it.

No and no... Fact is it's Roach who wants Mosley to fight PAC at 142 and Mosley said he can't do it... End of story...

My post above didn't refer to any boxer or boxers in particular... It's a general opinion of mine that if a boxer agrees to fight at a certain agreed "catchweight" then of course that boxer believes that he can both make the weight and win the fight...

If the boxer thinks he can't make the weight and/or win the fight then he shouldn't accept the fight...
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[Spicoli]

You guys are so full of it! Weight advantages are just part of the game. Some play the game better than others. As a clear example "Paul Williams" has been fighting "welterweight" two weight-classes below where he should have been beating smaller guys. Hatton is another example of a fighter that has been taking advantage of smaller fighters. Unless the 24-hour weigh-in is changed to a 2-hour weigh-in then the weight thing will be an advantage some fighters can use. Roach is playing hard in the negotiations, because Mosley campaigning hard for Mega bout. Catch weight is the best Mosley can do and Roach already said after the De La Hoya fight 144lbs.

than if he wants a catch weight he should drop all this 7 weight class champion bullshit

He can possibly get his 7th division title from a Urango or a Berto if he wants to and the only boxer to do so if successful (what a legacy!)... The 7th weight class title won't come from a Mosley or a Cotto or a Clottey...
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No...but a big fat "L " could ....Mosley should not and won't come down to a Pacquiao.Ever hear the tale of the man going to the well one to many times?

[XaduBoxer]

than if he wants a catch weight he should drop all this 7 weight class champion bullshit

He can possibly get his 7th division title from a Urango or a Berto if he wants to and the only boxer to do so if successful (what a legacy!)... The 7th weight class title won't come from a Mosley or a Cotto or a Clottey...
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No...but a big fat "L " could ....Mosley should not and won't come down to a Pacquiao.Ever hear the tale of the man going to the well one to many times?

I agree, Mosley should not come down to a Pacquiao... If Mosley forces to come down to a Pacquiao, he could end up being pacquiao'ed...

For several months, Mosley been chasing the Pacquiao fight... He's not entertaining other fights but focusing only to a possible Pacquiao fight... He might give 142 a very very deep thought...
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[Manuel "Chubby" Medina]

He can possibly get his 7th division title from a Urango or a Berto if he wants to and the only boxer to do so if successful (what a legacy!)... The 7th weight class title won't come from a Mosley or a Cotto or a Clottey...
.

No...but a big fat "L " could ....Mosley should not and won't come down to a Pacquiao.Ever hear the tale of the man going to the well one to many times?

I agree, Mosley should not come down to a Pacquiao... If Mosley forces to come down to a Pacquiao, he could end up being pacquiao'ed...

For several months, Mosley been chasing the Pacquiao fight... He's not entertaining other fights but focusing only to a possible Pacquiao fight... He might give 142 a very very deep thought...
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I thought catchweight wer suppose to be so they can meet halfway in the middle not to give one fighter an advantage.

[Rantcatrat]

You guys are so full of it! Weight advantages are just part of the game. Some play the game better than others. As a clear example "Paul Williams" has been fighting "welterweight" two weight-classes below where he should have been beating smaller guys. Hatton is another example of a fighter that has been taking advantage of smaller fighters. Unless the 24-hour weigh-in is changed to a 2-hour weigh-in then the weight thing will be an advantage some fighters can use. Roach is playing hard in the negotiations, because Mosley campaigning hard for Mega bout. Catch weight is the best Mosley can do and Roach already said after the De La Hoya fight 144lbs.

than if he wants a catch weight he should drop all this 7 weight class champion bullshit

or maybe jumping up to welterweight is too big of a jump and Roach knows it. maybe he should stick with fighting the junior welterweight and lightweight fighters like Floyd, but do it at 140 and 135.

[CFH]

You guys are so full of it! Weight advantages are just part of the game. Some play the game better than others. As a clear example "Paul Williams" has been fighting "welterweight" two weight-classes below where he should have been beating smaller guys. Hatton is another example of a fighter that has been taking advantage of smaller fighters. Unless the 24-hour weigh-in is changed to a 2-hour weigh-in then the weight thing will be an advantage some fighters can use. Roach is playing hard in the negotiations, because Mosley campaigning hard for Mega bout. Catch weight is the best Mosley can do and Roach already said after the De La Hoya fight 144lbs.

I honestly can't understand what you're trying to say in the bolded sentence.

However, to address your other point: weight-advantages have always been a part of boxing, obviously. However, there is a huge difference between fighting smaller fighters at a higher weight-class (ie. Hatton - Lazcano) and fighting a weight-drained opponent. Your post seems to demonstrate that you don't understand how much being weight-drained affects a fighter, it has a much greater impact than that of a fighter competing well above his natural weight, though both are detrimental. If Pac is fighting guys (particularly older opponents) at a weight in which they haven't been able to fight for years, it very much detracts from the victory as it would be contested in a vastly uneven way. If Pac fights and beats (or even looks good in losing) fighters like Cotto and Mosley, I'll give him a ton of credit. However, if he forces them to meet at a completely unfair catchweight, then in my mind it negates much of the glory associated with the victory.