Arum: "Even a 50/50 split with Floyd and Pac is utter nonsense".

[Majesty]

this is a 50/50 fight if there ever was one. Mayweather only did slightly better against Hatton in a much better economy (and that was just domestic, obviously Pac does a bit better in the Philippines than Money does) and the way Pacquaio handled Hatton cemented his super stardom, if you don't believe me than you obviously didn't watch Sportscenter anytime in the week or so after the Hatton fight when Manny got more mainstream coverage than any fighter I've seen get in a long time. There is now no bigger star in the game than Manny, Floyd is probably the only one who can match him there.

It will end up 50/50 or around 50/50 (Maybe they agree to Pac getting a little more if he comes up to 147 or the othe way around) and both will make a truckload of money.

And Mayweather vs Marquez is gonna do better then Pacquiao Marquez in a worse economy so whats your point?

I can understand that Pacquiao is a star, he's an exciting fighter, he may be a big star right now but he isn't the bigger draw. I agree with you that this should be a 50/50 split.

Bigger star does not = bigger draw.

Oscar De La Hoya sat on top as the biggest draw in boxing even when he was only fighting once a year but he wasn't the hottest sensation at the time either but was still the biggest draw. Mayweather may not be the hottest star, but he is still a bigger draw.

[OumaFan]

Simple, Mayweather-Marquez is going to do better than Pacquaio-Marquez because Pacquaio back then was not nearly the star that he is now (or not nearly the star Mayweather is now) because the ODLH and Hatton fights made him a star, or at the very least took him to another level. ODLH fights tend to get your name out there. Its not rocket science.

I suspect after the Hatton fight you'd find now that Pac is as big a draw, but that's just speculation but its not baseless considering the bump Pac got from how he beat Hatton and how close they were even before that. Either way, they are close enough for where this is a clear case of where 50/50 would work since there will be so much money in it for both.

[OumaFan]

My basic point is still that we jump the gun too much on negotiation talks, this is all early, a lot of posturing, if it turns out that in the end the fight didn't happen because somebody wouldn't take 50/50 then crucify him but its early.

[Majesty]

You could say that, and you could say the buys in the US economy had something to do with the numbers of Pacquiao and Hatton, but here's my response to that, more of a question really.

PPV buys aren't just a US thing are they? They are world wide aren't they?

[OumaFan]

I think the numbers listed were just domestic. I could be wrong. If there international then obviously Hatton played a big deal in both of those numbers. But I think the 825 and 915 or whatever they were were both just domestic numbers.

[Majesty]

I think the numbers listed were just domestic. I could be wrong. If there international then obviously Hatton played a big deal in both of those numbers. But I think the 825 and 915 or whatever they were were both just domestic numbers.

If they are international then Pacquiao's numbers would play into it very much as well as he has an entire country behind him as well.

[OumaFan]

From Dan Rafeal's article about the PPV buys on ESPN.com

"From what my sources tell me, the fight sits at about 825,000 domestic pay-per-view buys with the likelihood that when they're all counted, the total will reach 850,000 or more."

So no that doesn't take into account British buys or the Philippines. I was pretty sure that's how its done so I'm sure that's how it was done with Floyd's numbers too.

[bcollins]

I just did a project in a statistics class on boxing PPVs. One thing that I found is that these numbers tend to vary a lot from source to source. HBO usually releases its official numbers for an event at some point, but even those are ballpark figures.

Any way, I agree this one should fall into the 50/50 category, or winner takes more. There's probably more money in this fight than either boxer can make with a different opponent. Either one fighting Cotto or Mosley would be a big event, but not this big. They're crazy not to make this fight happen - there's just too many dollars floating around not to.

Unless Marquez makes it all moot

[ElTerribleMorales]

I think the numbers listed were just domestic. I could be wrong. If there international then obviously Hatton played a big deal in both of those numbers. But I think the 825 and 915 or whatever they were were both just domestic numbers.

If they are international then Pacquiao's numbers would play into it very much as well as he has an entire country behind him as well.

not to be fucked up or anything but, yea he has an entire country behind him, that doesn't really mean that its gonna be a big part of sales, cause well the Phillipines isn't really known for being a wealthy country, hell i know PR plays little to no part in PPV sales on any Rican fighters cards, why? cause we watch it bootleg lol thank god for Dish Network lol

[pacman79]

I can't see these 2 camps agreeing to anything.
This fight is dead in the water