Fighters From Europe Are really overrated

[Nameless]

Well by fanboy, I presume you mean a Fanatic, rather than its true meaning in boxing: Fan(cy); a financial backer (sponsor) of a fighter.

By definition a fanatic is going to overrate; that is a bit of a no-brainer.

But now I am going to bite on your juicy worm, and perhaps yank you into the lake, because I will not be caught.....

You have picked some awful, awful examples:

Ricky Hatton was an underrated fighter, who upset an old excellent fighter in Kostya Tszyu. He then used his support to get him some big fights, and showed himself capable against all but the very best, Hatton was hardly overrated.

Nigel Benn was an exciting face first puncher, who got found out at 160lbs, only to reinvent himself as a smartish fighter at 168lbs, who used his experience to beat the streaking Gerald McClellan and give a prime Eubank hell in a fight perhaps he could of edged.

Naseem Hamed was an excellent fighter who fought and beat everything put in front of him, before getting a bit to cocky and losing Barrera. Unable to regain the fire that got him to the top, Naseem called it a day, disappointed, but hardly overrated, anyone who saw the Vazquez or Badillo fights, know Naseem was mighty fine at his best.

Sir 'enry was a British institution, I do not think even his biggest fans considers him great. But he was brave, had a mean left hook and always gave his best, and we like those qualities in Britain.

Lewis has shown himself the Heavyweight of the last 15 years. The fact that it is six years since he retired and we have yet to even find a fighter to have a legitimate claim to his Championship, shows to a point how good he was.

Calzaghe beat everything put on front of him, and now it seems is that determined to keep his '0' that he is now 47-0 having added his son to the record.

Michalczewski sucked so much, that for whatever reason, a near prime Roy Jones Jr choose not to fight him....

Schmeling unlike Buster probably holds the record for biggest upset in Heavyweight history when he beat Joe Louis. Add this to a two year reign as champ, a title lost on a debatable decision, and being involved in the most important fight in boxing history, and I would say Max was hardly overrated.

Bruno was a 80s version of Cooper, it is just the division is that bad today, there is a case that Bruno could of been a top fighter in this era, rather than just being a top ten contender that he was in the 80s.

Get it together man!!!! Dariuz sat ringside at the Jones vs Virgil hill fight, witnessed Roy stop a man that had never been stopped with body shot...then hopped his ass on a plane and never went back to the states.

DM was the most overrated of all the so called "european guys that roy ducked",... He would have been toyed with like Richard Hall. Eubank stood the best chance against prime roy, Benn and the rest would have gone to sleep at 160-168....

Eubank states in his own fucking book that its unlikely that he would have beat jones. Futhermore while he was still competing it was him that said if he didnt see way to beat jones that he wouldnt face him. They never fought so... go figure... Benn is probably the only one that really wanted to face face jones, but after he and gman beat the hell out of each other, he would have been torn to shreds by roy..so call that unfortunate timing...

I guess I'm not the only one that thinks DM ducked Roy. And I'm probably one of the few guys here that thinks if both had fought in their primes, Roy comes out on top.

Even considering Roy would have won, it absolutely doesn't mean that DM wasn't a very good overall fighter. Plus, all the other points britboys are mostly valid in my opinion, he gave good proof that a lot of the fighters you did mention as underrated in fact were not.

[generalbulldog]

Get it together man!!!! Dariuz sat ringside at the Jones vs Virgil hill fight, witnessed Roy stop a man that had never been stopped with body shot...then hopped his ass on a plane and never went back to the states.

DM was the most overrated of all the so called "european guys that roy ducked",... He would have been toyed with like Richard Hall. Eubank stood the best chance against prime roy, Benn and the rest would have gone to sleep at 160-168....

Eubank states in his own fucking book that its unlikely that he would have beat jones. Futhermore while he was still competing it was him that said if he didnt see way to beat jones that he wouldnt face him. They never fought so... go figure... Benn is probably the only one that really wanted to face face jones, but after he and gman beat the hell out of each other, he would have been torn to shreds by roy..so call that unfortunate timing...

I guess I'm not the only one that thinks DM ducked Roy. And I'm probably one of the few guys here that thinks if both had fought in their primes, Roy comes out on top.

Even considering Roy would have won, it absolutely doesn't mean that DM wasn't a very good overall fighter. Plus, all the other points britboys are mostly valid in my opinion, he gave good proof that a lot of the fighters you did mention as underrated in fact were not.

I'm not saying these fighters are not good, but compared to the hype they get compared to their level of accomplishments and opponents are a little bit unwarranted in my opinion.

For example, Prince Naseem was good just not an elite fighter in my eyes, and same thing with Hatton, but they get trumped up and hyped up a little bit no?

As for Joe Calzaghe, he beat a 43 year old Hopkins and a 39 year old Roy Jones, in my eyes those 2 are way past their primes physically and boxing wise. If this fight had taken place 10 years ago, then yeah it would be something to talk about.

[ono]

I guess I'm not the only one that thinks DM ducked Roy. And I'm probably one of the few guys here that thinks if both had fought in their primes, Roy comes out on top.

Even considering Roy would have won, it absolutely doesn't mean that DM wasn't a very good overall fighter. Plus, all the other points britboys are mostly valid in my opinion, he gave good proof that a lot of the fighters you did mention as underrated in fact were not.

I'm not saying these fighters are not good, but compared to the hype they get compared to their level of accomplishments and opponents are a little bit unwarranted in my opinion.

For example, Prince Naseem was good just not an elite fighter in my eyes, and same thing with Hatton, but they get trumped up and hyped up a little bit no?

As for Joe Calzaghe, he beat a 43 year old Hopkins and a 39 year old Roy Jones, in my eyes those 2 are way past their primes physically and boxing wise. If this fight had taken place 10 years ago, then yeah it would be something to talk about.

Nobody is talking about it though. Everyone on here knows his win over Jones means hardly anything. His win over Hopkins took on more value when Hopkins schooled Pavlik - Now if you want to talk about hyping a fighter....

With Hatton i think you have confused his fan-base with hype. Nobody believes he is/was the 2nd coming. Pretty much everyone on here knew where he was at.

[generalbulldog]

Even considering Roy would have won, it absolutely doesn't mean that DM wasn't a very good overall fighter. Plus, all the other points britboys are mostly valid in my opinion, he gave good proof that a lot of the fighters you did mention as underrated in fact were not.

I'm not saying these fighters are not good, but compared to the hype they get compared to their level of accomplishments and opponents are a little bit unwarranted in my opinion.

For example, Prince Naseem was good just not an elite fighter in my eyes, and same thing with Hatton, but they get trumped up and hyped up a little bit no?

As for Joe Calzaghe, he beat a 43 year old Hopkins and a 39 year old Roy Jones, in my eyes those 2 are way past their primes physically and boxing wise. If this fight had taken place 10 years ago, then yeah it would be something to talk about.

Nobody is talking about it though. Everyone on here knows his win over Jones means hardly anything. His win over Hopkins took on more value when Hopkins schooled Pavlik - Now if you want to talk about hyping a fighter....

With Hatton i think you have confused his fan-base with hype. Nobody believes he is/was the 2nd coming. Pretty much everyone on here knew where he was at.

You're a good and sensible poster, so I apologized to people out there that are offended by this thread I made, and you do have a point with fan base and hype. It's just that some posters on the internet and real life makes some ridiculous statements, like "Hatton will knock out Floyd or Pacman." I just knew that Hatton is a good fighter but in my eyes isn't within the same realm as Floyd or Pacman. Dariusz Michalczewski, a solid fighter but not an elite fighter like RJJ, neither is Calzaghe in my opinion.

And as a new poster I didn't know about the Mighty Mike joke, its just that I read some old posts here and many posters were making even more riduculous statements like, "Floyd duck fighters" or "Pacman fought a drained DeLaHoya at 147 and should have fought him at 154 to make the fight fair." Which in my opinion are idiotic statements themselves. SO it's hard to tell which is joking and which are real statements.

[ono]

I'm not saying these fighters are not good, but compared to the hype they get compared to their level of accomplishments and opponents are a little bit unwarranted in my opinion.

For example, Prince Naseem was good just not an elite fighter in my eyes, and same thing with Hatton, but they get trumped up and hyped up a little bit no?

As for Joe Calzaghe, he beat a 43 year old Hopkins and a 39 year old Roy Jones, in my eyes those 2 are way past their primes physically and boxing wise. If this fight had taken place 10 years ago, then yeah it would be something to talk about.

Nobody is talking about it though. Everyone on here knows his win over Jones means hardly anything. His win over Hopkins took on more value when Hopkins schooled Pavlik - Now if you want to talk about hyping a fighter....

With Hatton i think you have confused his fan-base with hype. Nobody believes he is/was the 2nd coming. Pretty much everyone on here knew where he was at.

You're a good and sensible poster, so I apologized to people out there that are offended by this thread I made, and you do have a point with fan base and hype. It's just that some posters on the internet and real life makes some ridiculous statements, like "Hatton will knock out Floyd or Pacman." I just knew that Hatton is a good fighter but in my eyes isn't within the same realm as Floyd or Pacman. Dariusz Michalczewski, a solid fighter but not an elite fighter like RJJ, neither is Calzaghe in my opinion.

And as a new poster I didn't know about the Mighty Mike joke, its just that I read some old posts here and many posters were making even more riduculous statements like, "Floyd duck fighters" or "Pacman fought a drained DeLaHoya at 147 and should have fought him at 154 to make the fight fair." Which in my opinion are idiotic statements themselves. SO it's hard to tell which is joking and which are real statements.

I mean everyone has their own opinion and it's my opinion that Calzaghe has done enough to be considered elite. Ok he didn't fight Jones or Hopkins in their prime but Hopkins shown what he has left when he destroyed Pavlik so it's fair to say he had something left.

Fact is Pac did fight a weight-drained Oscar, he needed a rehydration drip before the fight which suggest he wasn't keeping food down or able to eat food for some reason. He looked like total shit aswell. Still not Pac's fault. He did what he had to do and did it well.

A lot of people on here don't like Floyd. There is an argument for him avoiding certain fighters so people tag on to that. It's not a joke. I don't think he is that guilty, not to the extent where it would make me angry anyway.

Finally the sort of people who think 'Hatton will fucking smash Pac and mayweather' are the same sort of people who think Tyson is the greatest fighter of all time. In other words, they are uneducated and in fairness you aren't likely to come across them on this board. Maybe in the pub or in the comments section of a youtube video. They're most likely just general sports fans and not enthusiastic boxing fans.

Anyway if you stick around you'll most likely be able to tell the jokes from the serious stuff.

[Gandalf]

Mike Tyson is the most overrated European heavyweight in the history of British boxing. That is all I will say more on this issue.

[Taffturner]

How can u say naz wasnt elite?! he was around along time and didnt duck anyone, had alot of fights against top oppostion johnson, kelly, medina etc, naz only got beat once against mab who was probly the best about, morales got beat by mab would you not class morales as elite?! As for hatton again why not elite? He again boxed alot of top guys and again never ducked anyone infact he always chased the best, ok he got blasted by a top form pacman, but hatton put up a good fight against mayweather and the ref was up floyds arse! Hatton only got beat by the best two fighters on the planet, no shame in that! and i dont think that should take anything away from his career/legacy

[Fenster]

Although this was a blatant wind-up thread aimed at Brits, it is kind of ironic that six years later a bunch of Eastern Europeans are considered among the very best fighters in the world.

Wlad
Golovkin
Kovalev
Lomanchenko

With a bunch right behind them

Beterbiev
Postol
The entire Cruiserweight divison