Fighters From Europe Are really overrated

[ono]

I'm not saying these fighters are not good, but compared to the hype they get compared to their level of accomplishments and opponents are a little bit unwarranted in my opinion.

For example, Prince Naseem was good just not an elite fighter in my eyes, and same thing with Hatton, but they get trumped up and hyped up a little bit no?

As for Joe Calzaghe, he beat a 43 year old Hopkins and a 39 year old Roy Jones, in my eyes those 2 are way past their primes physically and boxing wise. If this fight had taken place 10 years ago, then yeah it would be something to talk about.

Nobody is talking about it though. Everyone on here knows his win over Jones means hardly anything. His win over Hopkins took on more value when Hopkins schooled Pavlik - Now if you want to talk about hyping a fighter....

With Hatton i think you have confused his fan-base with hype. Nobody believes he is/was the 2nd coming. Pretty much everyone on here knew where he was at.

You're a good and sensible poster, so I apologized to people out there that are offended by this thread I made, and you do have a point with fan base and hype. It's just that some posters on the internet and real life makes some ridiculous statements, like "Hatton will knock out Floyd or Pacman." I just knew that Hatton is a good fighter but in my eyes isn't within the same realm as Floyd or Pacman. Dariusz Michalczewski, a solid fighter but not an elite fighter like RJJ, neither is Calzaghe in my opinion.

And as a new poster I didn't know about the Mighty Mike joke, its just that I read some old posts here and many posters were making even more riduculous statements like, "Floyd duck fighters" or "Pacman fought a drained DeLaHoya at 147 and should have fought him at 154 to make the fight fair." Which in my opinion are idiotic statements themselves. SO it's hard to tell which is joking and which are real statements.

I mean everyone has their own opinion and it's my opinion that Calzaghe has done enough to be considered elite. Ok he didn't fight Jones or Hopkins in their prime but Hopkins shown what he has left when he destroyed Pavlik so it's fair to say he had something left.

Fact is Pac did fight a weight-drained Oscar, he needed a rehydration drip before the fight which suggest he wasn't keeping food down or able to eat food for some reason. He looked like total shit aswell. Still not Pac's fault. He did what he had to do and did it well.

A lot of people on here don't like Floyd. There is an argument for him avoiding certain fighters so people tag on to that. It's not a joke. I don't think he is that guilty, not to the extent where it would make me angry anyway.

Finally the sort of people who think 'Hatton will fucking smash Pac and mayweather' are the same sort of people who think Tyson is the greatest fighter of all time. In other words, they are uneducated and in fairness you aren't likely to come across them on this board. Maybe in the pub or in the comments section of a youtube video. They're most likely just general sports fans and not enthusiastic boxing fans.

Anyway if you stick around you'll most likely be able to tell the jokes from the serious stuff.

[Gandalf]

Mike Tyson is the most overrated European heavyweight in the history of British boxing. That is all I will say more on this issue.

[Taffturner]

How can u say naz wasnt elite?! he was around along time and didnt duck anyone, had alot of fights against top oppostion johnson, kelly, medina etc, naz only got beat once against mab who was probly the best about, morales got beat by mab would you not class morales as elite?! As for hatton again why not elite? He again boxed alot of top guys and again never ducked anyone infact he always chased the best, ok he got blasted by a top form pacman, but hatton put up a good fight against mayweather and the ref was up floyds arse! Hatton only got beat by the best two fighters on the planet, no shame in that! and i dont think that should take anything away from his career/legacy

[Fenster]

Although this was a blatant wind-up thread aimed at Brits, it is kind of ironic that six years later a bunch of Eastern Europeans are considered among the very best fighters in the world.

Wlad
Golovkin
Kovalev
Lomanchenko

With a bunch right behind them

Beterbiev
Postol
The entire Cruiserweight divison

[p4pking]

All bums, just lucky they came around after America stopped trying to produce good boxers.

[Ron Swanson]

Although this was a blatant wind-up thread aimed at Brits, it is kind of ironic that six years later a bunch of Eastern Europeans are considered among the very best fighters in the world.

Wlad
Golovkin
Kovalev
Lomanchenko

With a bunch right behind them

Beterbiev
Postol
The entire Cruiserweight divison

Karaganda is far past the Ural mountains. That is not Eastern Europe.(GGG)

And Semey Kazakstan is far past the Urals as well(Wladimir)

Kopeysk is East of Urals(Kovalev)

So 50% of the list is accurate.

[palmerq]

Although this was a blatant wind-up thread aimed at Brits, it is kind of ironic that six years later a bunch of Eastern Europeans are considered among the very best fighters in the world.

Wlad
Golovkin
Kovalev
Lomanchenko

With a bunch right behind them

Beterbiev
Postol
The entire Cruiserweight divison

Karaganda is far past the Ural mountains. That is not Eastern Europe.(GGG)

And Semey Kazakstan is far past the Urals as well(Wladimir)

Kopeysk is East of Urals(Kovalev)

So 50% of the list is accurate.

The klitschkos are just born in the weird places due to their fathers millitary career, I would say they still have to count as ukranians and therefore eastern europeans, wladimir isnt a kazak and vitali isnt from Kyrgyzstan just because they were born there. Bruce willis was born in germany after all.

[Ron Swanson]

Although this was a blatant wind-up thread aimed at Brits, it is kind of ironic that six years later a bunch of Eastern Europeans are considered among the very best fighters in the world.

Wlad
Golovkin
Kovalev
Lomanchenko

With a bunch right behind them

Beterbiev
Postol
The entire Cruiserweight divison

Karaganda is far past the Ural mountains. That is not Eastern Europe.(GGG)

And Semey Kazakstan is far past the Urals as well(Wladimir)

Kopeysk is East of Urals(Kovalev)

So 50% of the list is accurate.

The klitschkos are just born in the weird places due to their fathers millitary career, I would say they still have to count as ukranians and therefore eastern europeans, wladimir isnt a kazak and vitali isnt from Kyrgyzstan just because they were born there. Bruce willis was born in germany after all.

So if where you were born is irrelevant how exactly do you define where a person is from? Please be specific because I always thought it was rather simple but apparently not

[Freedom]

Lots of very talented Ukrainian and Russian fighters coming up:

Gvozdyk
Ponomarev
Spyrko
Baranchyk
Gassiev
Magomedov
Bivol
Salamov
Tedeev
Bektemirov
Khytrov
Derevyanchenko

[beenKOed]

Nonsense, poppycock, claptrap, balderdash, silliness, folderol, hooey, and stupidity!

[palmerq]

Although this was a blatant wind-up thread aimed at Brits, it is kind of ironic that six years later a bunch of Eastern Europeans are considered among the very best fighters in the world.

Wlad
Golovkin
Kovalev
Lomanchenko

With a bunch right behind them

Beterbiev
Postol
The entire Cruiserweight divison

Karaganda is far past the Ural mountains. That is not Eastern Europe.(GGG)

And Semey Kazakstan is far past the Urals as well(Wladimir)

Kopeysk is East of Urals(Kovalev)

So 50% of the list is accurate.

The klitschkos are just born in the weird places due to their fathers millitary career, I would say they still have to count as ukranians and therefore eastern europeans, wladimir isnt a kazak and vitali isnt from Kyrgyzstan just because they were born there. Bruce willis was born in germany after all.

So if where you were born is irrelevant how exactly do you define where a person is from? Please be specific because I always thought it was rather simple but apparently not

well i would say where their parents are from is a rather big one and where they lived a lot of their life.... where you are born is the mostly irrelevant factor in my opinion, do you really consider someone like Bruce Willis to be german? The football player rio mavuba was born at sea, where is he from then :S