Anybody think Pac has lost 5 fights and JMM has only lost 1??

[generalbulldog]

I had Pacman winning the first fight by 1 point and losing the 2nd fight by 3 points. Still when it comes to decisions, it's all subjective.

Let's not try to diminish a great fighter's talent and abilities just because you don't agree with the decision.

Yeah, it's much better to do so based on their nationality, right?

If you're talking about Euro fighters, I said they were hyped which is my opinion, but did I diminish their fighting abilities or heart? No of course not.

Hamed? Hatton? Calzaghe? And I'll defend my view that Calzaghe fought a 43 year old past his prime Hopkins and a 39 year old Roy Jones, so yeah that gets no credit with me. Hatton? Never denied he was a decent fighter, not elite like some people were pumping him up. Just like some peoplle think Floyd ducks fighters or that Pacman is a pussy for fighting a DeLaHoya at 147 who was weight drained and should have fought him at 154 to make the fight "fair". lol All opinions nothing more or less.

[BIG H]

I had Pacman winning the first fight by 1 point and losing the 2nd fight by 3 points. Still when it comes to decisions, it's all subjective.

Let's not try to diminish a great fighter's talent and abilities just because you don't agree with the decision.

Yeah, it's much better to do so based on their nationality, right?

If you're talking about Euro fighters, I said they were hyped which is my opinion, but did I diminish their fighting abilities or heart? No of course not.

Hamed? Hatton? Calzaghe? And I'll defend my view that Calzaghe fought a 43 year old past his prime Hopkins and a 39 year old Roy Jones, so yeah that gets no credit with me. Hatton? Never denied he was a decent fighter, not elite like some people were pumping him up. Just like some peoplle think Floyd ducks fighters or that Pacman is a pussy for fighting a DeLaHoya at 147 who was weight drained and should have fought him at 154 to make the fight "fair". lol All opinions nothing more or less.

Bernard Hopkins best performances have all arguably come post 40 years old. The Pavlik performance (which was after JC) is the best version of Hopkins I have seen. Calzaghe also beat the Middle weight Mike Tyson, superbowl poster boy, future of American boxing (but of course he was just hype ) aswell as beating Kessler. He also fought Brewer, Mitchell, Woodhall, Eubank, Reid (all World Champions) You can make excuses for anybodies record, and Calzaghe's wasn't fantastic, but it was solid!!

Who did Hopkins fight in 10 years as Middleweight king??

Who prime fighters did RJJ fight in his Pomp at SMW and LHW?

Like I say, you can pick holes in anybodies record. RJJ and B-Hop are all time greats (rightly so) but if they were European with their resumes they would not be held in such high estemm FACT

[CFH]

I had Pacman winning the first fight by 1 point and losing the 2nd fight by 3 points. Still when it comes to decisions, it's all subjective.

Let's not try to diminish a great fighter's talent and abilities just because you don't agree with the decision.

Yeah, it's much better to do so based on their nationality, right?

If you're talking about Euro fighters, I said they were hyped which is my opinion, but did I diminish their fighting abilities or heart? No of course not.

Hamed? Hatton? Calzaghe? And I'll defend my view that Calzaghe fought a 43 year old past his prime Hopkins and a 39 year old Roy Jones, so yeah that gets no credit with me. Hatton? Never denied he was a decent fighter, not elite like some people were pumping him up. Just like some peoplle think Floyd ducks fighters or that Pacman is a pussy for fighting a DeLaHoya at 147 who was weight drained and should have fought him at 154 to make the fight "fair". lol All opinions nothing more or less.

Calling someone an overhyped club fighter isn't diminishing their fighting abilities?

Like H said, Hopkins best performances have come very late in his career. I don't think Calzaghe beat him, but I'm in the minority and he deserves credit for at least fighting an extremely close fight with one of boxings best. Also, very few people have given Calzaghe much credit for beating Jones, myself included; though he did so in impressive fashion. However, his victories over Lacy, Kessler, and Hopkins are comprable with most American fighters of his stature.

As for Hatton, you called him "overhyped [by fanboys]" and a "club fighter". To me, that sounds like you were calling him a very ordinary and less than decent fighter.