Haye vs Wlad Klitschko

[pacman79]

I really hope David Haye ends up being a big SOMEBODY in the division but he will lose vs Wladimir right now. Do you guys remember when everyone said "Wlad isn't ready for Lennox Lewis" back in 2003...well that was when Wladimir had a record of 40-1 AT HEAVYWEIGHT....David Haye is 2-0 at heavyweight, he's 22-1 in his career, his amateur record is ...hell I have no idea about it, I know he lost a couple times (as amateurs do) but I don't know if he had a lot of fights and at what weight classes and vs who and what styles give him trouble etc.

Haye is the unknown...he's flashy and everything but right now he could be Mike Tyson or Audley Harrison or somewhere in the middle and that (somewhere in the middle) is where I have him pegged. I think Haye could beat some top guys but I also think some top guys could give him trouble...and the guys I would mention that would give him trouble would have people calling me a hater but I just call them on style/ability I we have seen.

His amateur career ----

Haye began his amateur career during the 1990s. In 1999, he attended the World Amateur Boxing Championships, which were held in Austin, Texas. However, he suffered a defeat early on in the competition. His performance in the 2001 World Amateur Boxing Championships was considerably more successful.
His progress through the competition was marked by a number of important wins, including one against Sebastian Kober, who had won the heavyweight boxing gold medal during the 2000 Sydney Olympics. However, Haye was defeated in the final round of the competition by the Cuban, Odlanier Solis. Nevertheless, Haye had come to be regarded within the boxing fraternity as a clear force to be reckoned with.



David Haye - Career Profile

[leftylee]

Adam, you may not have questioned whether or not Haye touched the canvas BUT you definently questioned whether or not it was a knockdown and that is the crux of my argument it WAS a knockdown yes because Haye was off balance but moreso because he got hit, had Barrett missed that punch would Haye have been on the canvas? DOUBTFUL!

Wladimir has been able to learn from his mistakes because #1 he's a smart fighter it has been proven, he has learned from his mistakes because he has been put into similar situations and the outcomes have been different since his losses #2 he's got a Hall of Fame trainer and #3 Wladimir has a ton of experience boxing. Wladimir has had more fights than David Haye has ROUNDS when you compare their professional careers. Has David Haye learned anything from his wins over Maccarinelli or Barrett or Bonin Has he learned anything from his loss to Carl Thompson We simply don't know because he hasn't been tested that many times.

David Haye is impressive LOOKING, I can't say one way or the other if he's "the goods" or not simply because he has 23 total fights, 22 wins, 21 KO's, 1 loss by KO/TKO and very few of those fights were on the very highest level of boxing at cruiserweight and 0 of those 23 fights took place at a high level in the heavyweight division. Can David Haye win vs Wladimir? Sure he can, I don't doubt it for a second but take the time and look at David Haye as a total fighter and see the gap in experience....

Q: Can Haye box and win on points at a high level?

A: We don't know, we've never seen it, he's never been pushed to do that, and he has rarely had an opponent that could take him the distance.

Q: Can Wladimir Klitschko box and win on points at a high level?

A: Yes, Wladimir has only had to do that 6 times but vs: Prime Sam Peter, Prime Sultan Ibragimov, Prime Chris Byrd, Everett Martin in 1998, and Wlad has 2 Technical Decisions vs DaVarryl Williamson and Mark Young.

Q: Can David Haye KO a big skilled heavyweight?

A: We don't know, we've never seen him do that, he has never fought a big skilled heavyweight who hadn't already been KO'd by a questionable puncher.

Q: Can Wladimir Klitschko KO a big skilled heavyweight?

A: Yes there are a couple of guys Wlad KO'd who are big, skilled, and hadn't been KO'd before. Tony Thompson and Jameel McCline are two that come to mind and at the time they were very skilled.

Q: Can David Haye take a punch at heavyweight?

A: We don't know, he's never had to, and he hasn't been in with a heavyweight with decent punching power.

Q: Can Wladimir Klitschko take a punch at heavyweight?

A: If it's from a smaller heavyweight with less power perhaps, he has been hurt by: Sam Peter, Corrie Sanders, and Lamon Brewster all well respected power punchers. However, he has never been KO'd by just 1 punch, a fighter MUST follow up on Wladimir to stop him (of course his 3 losses show that very thing)

Q: Can David Haye handle adversity in the ring?

A: I sure as hell don't know, I've never seen him cut, I've rarely seen him fouled and he hasn't really shown much other than he CAN get up off the canvas and win a fight as he did vs: Mormeck and Barrett.

Q: Can Wladimir Klitschko handle adversity in the ring?

A: Yes, he has been cut before and has dealt with it with no issues and he has been knocked down before and not been bothered as much as he had been earlier in his career.

There's a lot about Haye that no one can answer until the actual fight. Wladimir has experience, size, strength, experience, and power over David Haye...that's not me bragging those are just the facts bro

I stopped reading when you said "I have never seen David Haye cut". Watch the Maccarinelli fight for one.

Also labeling Tony Thompson as a skilled fighter is an insult to boxing.

[Hunter]

Again, Haye was legitimately knocked down and dazed by Monte Barrett left hand..

Monte was storming in and swinging wildly trying to get a KO and it still took Haye 5 rounds to knock him out.......Cliff Couser knocked Monte out in 2.........Haye is Pathetic...

[Slowmotion426]

Can't wait to see Wlad in action again.

Are you finding it hard to sleep pr something?

YES!!

[leftylee]

Again, Haye was legitimately knocked down and dazed by Monte Barrett left hand..

Monte was storming in and swinging wildly trying to get a KO and it still took Haye 5 rounds to knock him out.......Cliff Couser knocked Monte out in 2.........Haye is Pathetic...

And Klitchsko knocked Barret out in 7.

So Klitchsko must be beyond pathetic.

[Hunter]

Again, Haye was legitimately knocked down and dazed by Monte Barrett left hand..

Monte was storming in and swinging wildly trying to get a KO and it still took Haye 5 rounds to knock him out.......Cliff Couser knocked Monte out in 2.........Haye is Pathetic...

And Klitchsko knocked Barret out in 7.

So Klitchsko must be beyond pathetic.

- Wlad KO'd Monte 9 years ago when he was a prime 29 y/o. Wlad was the first to KO Monte and Monte only had one loss by split decision at the time....

Haye fought a 37 y/o Barrett with 6 losses and still got rocked...

[El Kabong]

I stopped reading when you said "I have never seen David Haye cut". Watch the Maccarinelli fight for one.

Also labeling Tony Thompson as a skilled fighter is an insult to boxing.

Oh, I'm sorry I forgot Haye got cut in the Maccarinelli fight, it must have really had a chance to bother him as the fight went TWO FUCKING ROUNDS!!!! Be serious.

Tony Thompson IS a skilled fighter, he isn't powerful with his punches but IMO he's skilled enough to beat any number of top rated heavyweights. He battered Luan Krasniqi and that's decent, he outboxed Guinn and Timor Ibragimov, but the reason Thompson isn't able to really make a name for himself is because he's 6'6 about 250 pounds and he's a southpaw....nobody wants to fight that. Who out there right now (bar Wladimir) would you give a chance to beat Thompson David Haye? We don't know much about Haye or how he'd handle that style, sure you can say he'd do well but Haye hasn't been in with a guy that big with that good of a chin and yeah he has a very good chin. Sam Peter, Cris Arreola, Ruslan Chagaev, Nicolay Valuev, Alexander Povetkin, Alexander Dimitrenko...I think Thompson could beat at least half of those guys.

I wish David Haye fought an elimination bout vs Alexander Povetkin before fighting Wladimir...I mean if Wladimir KO's him in 1 round then everyone will say "He's a nobody, he hasn't beaten anyone, he only had 2 heavyweight fights, he's only beaten Monte Barrett and Tomaz Bonin" had Haye actually beaten a "live body" instead of some tomato can then MAYBE I'd feel better about his chances....that's not me being a Klitschko fan, that's me being a boxing fan.

[Nameless]

Again, Haye was legitimately knocked down and dazed by Monte Barrett left hand..

Monte was storming in and swinging wildly trying to get a KO and it still took Haye 5 rounds to knock him out.......Cliff Couser knocked Monte out in 2.........Haye is Pathetic...

And Klitchsko knocked Barret out in 7.

So Klitchsko must be beyond pathetic.

Considering he didn't got knocked down by Barrett and almost didn't get decently touch.... I would say he's not beyond pathetic; He's just a Kronk style of fighter; very careful, taking his time and gearing down his opponent slowly. Haye is more of a lethal mill, he just charge and blend, which explains easily why Wlad knocked him later on.

[AdamGB]

Again, Haye was legitimately knocked down and dazed by Monte Barrett left hand..

I take it you missed the bit where Monte Barrett stared at Haye then smacked haye right on his jaw whilst Haye was sitting on the canvas and then the bit where Haye picked Barrett apart and knocked him out within 10 seconds of the action resuming?

A blind, retarded troll... you don't see that everyday.

[Hunter]

Again, Haye was legitimately knocked down and dazed by Monte Barrett left hand..

I take it you missed the bit where Monte Barrett stared at Haye then smacked haye right on his jaw whilst Haye was sitting on the canvas and then the bit where Haye picked Barrett apart and knocked him out within 10 seconds of the action resuming?

A blind, retarded troll... you don't see that everyday.

I am the troll? I am just stating FACTS...

1 - A punch caused Haye to fall on his ass when he fought Monte - FACT

2 - Haye was dazed as evidenced by the fact that he didnt jump right up after said knockdown - FACT

3 - Cliff Couser knocked out Monte faster than Haye - FACT

4 - Monte was a bum with 6 losses when Haye fought him and Monte was a up and comer with 1 loss by split decision when Wlad was the first to KO him 9 years ago - FACT

I know you want nothing more than to gag yourself on Haye's cock but dont let that blind you to the facts.....

[AdamGB]

Lol... kid, you're the only person talking about Haye's cock... you should be asking yourself why, queer.

The thought of it never entered my mind until you mentioned it... unfortunately you clearly can't say the same...

Monte hit Haye whilst he was sat down... obviously you know loads about the bio-mechanical reactions a punch causes... so I don't need to tell you why talking a fully loaded punch whilst you're sat rigid and static and unable to move with the punch may have some sort of effect on a person?

You want to talk about facts... I'm just curious as to why you continuously manage to omit that little peach of a fact?

It's either ignorance or trolling, take your pick.

[El Kabong]

...if we wanted to talk about who hurt David Haye we'd be talking about Mormeck and Thompson.

I wanted to clear the air about this "slip" you Haye fans keep calling it, it wasn't a slip, it was a lack of skill. Skilled fighters don't put themselves in situations where the slightest touch knocks you on your ass ergo David Haye isn't as skilled as everyone might think.

Did Tyson ever "slip" like that? Did Foreman ever "slip" like that? Did David Tua ever "slip" like that? Did Evander Holyfield (with whom David Haye compares himself to all the time) ever "slip" like that? NO and why Because they as fighters knew that good footwork and a good solid base helps you hit harder and stay upright.

Haye's chin is a question mark at heavyweight and hell even seeing him take Barrett's punch while he was on the canvas didn't answer any questions for me. Bonnin never really checked his chin either. But the thing we didn't know is until the Barrett fight and the Thompson fight, is that Haye is a technically/stylistically flawed fighter who isn't on the same level as the other fighters who have fought for and currently hold titles in the heavyweight division.

I think if David Haye really knew he was going to ammount to something in the heavyweight division he would have challenged Nicolay Valuev/Ruslan Chagaev and THEN challenged Wlad and Vitali instead he challenged Wlad and Vitali which is fine by me, but I think it's more in the hopes that he gets lucky and wins rather than he knows he's going to win.

[AdamGB]

lol Lyle come on... plenty of fighters have slipped/been caught of balance etc.

Like I've said - it's a rough sport.
Whilst you are making some good points I still don't know why you keep repeating yourself!!

[Majesty]

Again, Haye was legitimately knocked down and dazed by Monte Barrett left hand..

Monte was storming in and swinging wildly trying to get a KO and it still took Haye 5 rounds to knock him out.......Cliff Couser knocked Monte out in 2.........Haye is Pathetic...

And Klitchsko knocked Barret out in 7.

So Klitchsko must be beyond pathetic.

- Wlad KO'd Monte 9 years ago when he was a prime 29 y/o. Wlad was the first to KO Monte and Monte only had one loss by split decision at the time....

Haye fought a 37 y/o Barrett with 6 losses and still got rocked...

And Wlad got dropped by DaVarryl Williamson who was KO'd in under 30 seconds by Joe Mesi

[benevolent anarchist]

I do not believe that Wladimir is a "defensive fighter" as Haye portends in that video. Wladimir fights the way that he fights because he is the champion and it's the job of the challenger to try to make the champ fight his fight, not the other way around as his royal highness would prefer.

Yes, I'm sure David would love it if Wladimir kowtowed to boxing's self-proclaimed heavyweight savior, but that just ain't gonna happen. Haye needs to prove he is worthy of carrying the crown by doing what great fighters do.