Is Hatton now a club fighter?

[KostyaTszyuTeam]

Posted this before, but for the smart Alec's who were infact the catalysts for these comments originally, I'll post it again.

Alot of guys were fought in between these top opponents, spanning a long long title reign. The overall body of work beating top opponnets is deeper and longer than Hattons. He also fought actively until he was 32-33, so Hatton did fight more guys, but he ceratinly wasnt taking on former world champions in his fourth pro fight, because nobody could match up with him. Should check out some of Tszyus earlier fights, you win notice his considerable speed in comparison to when older, and dynamic buzz saw attack.

Of note, he also beat alot of future world champions as an amateur, most notably Vernon Forrest for the Amateur World Title. The evidence: The guy who actually beat Philips as a Pro to become world champion Millet, gets owned alongside guys like Forrest. YouTube - Kostya Tszyu | Terron Millett I (a) 1/1


Fourth fight as a pro - former world champion, Juan LaPorte

Former world champion, Livingstone Bramble

Former world champion - First Pro World Title, Jake Rodriguez

x2 World Champion Roger Mayweather, first title defence 12th or so Pro fight! (went hard with Whittaker)

Hugo Pineda, Sydney, Australia, TKO 11
6'1 Undefeated at the time, very dangerous. ONCE THESE GUYS ARE BEAT, never the same

Jan Bergman

Calvin Grove, Australia, Former World Champion

Rafael Ruelas, Former World Chmapion

Diobelys Hurtado, Former World Title holder, who was atop draw fighter who gave Whittaker all he could handle, then wore down later in his career

Miguel Angel Gonzalez, Long reigning Lightweight Champion, and Jnr Welterweight champion, One of Mexicos best ever, and was finished as a fighter after Tszyu DESTROYED him, far more easily than a Prime De La Hoya

Destroyed the Great Julio Cesar Chavez

Beat top champion in his prime, Sharmba Mitchell

Massacred future Undisputed Welterweight champion Zab Judah when he was at his most dangerous weight 140. Never quite the same after it

Pitched an absolute shutout, when Ben Tackie was actually good as the no1 challenger. Never the same fighter again

Beat former world champion Leija who had just disposed of the then up and coming Hector Camacho jr.


Signs of slowing down against Leija, THEN 2 YEAR INJURY LAYOFF
Most notable wins, Rodriguez, Ruelas, Hurtado, Gonzalez, Chavez, x2 Mitchell, Judah WHEN THESE GUYS COULD ACTUALLY FIGHT, with the exceptio

DESTROYED Sharmba Mitchell, when rated inside the top 10, being the top active fighter in boxings then current strongest division. Tszyus power covered up the fact he hadn't fought more than 3 rounds in 2 years

35 - Defeated by Ricky Hatton in a fight that didn't go his way.


These are what I would call Kostya Tszyus best wins. His first being in 1995, his last 2002, when he was 32!! He was starting to visibly slow against Leija, and when he fought Hatton at 35, he had fought 3 rounds in two years.

The Roger Mayweather fight is Nowhere near the list. The reason I dumped that in was because a name you may know. Also it was Tszyu First worl titke defence, after only like 12 pro fights or something, and he won ALL 12 rounds.


Tszyus best performances to me.
Rodriguez: Good solid champ Dominated
Pineda: 6'1 Undefeated, never the same afterward
Bergman: Mandatory, wicked KO
Grove: Former world champ mowed down in round 1
Ruelas: One of Mexicos better fighters, got thrashed in 8
Hurtado: Former world titlist, never quite the same afterwards
Gonzalez: Arguably Tszyu best win, destroyed a then great boxer
Chavez: One of the few men to EVER drop Chavez, mandatory no1 def
Mitchell X2: Excellent boxer in prime, top ten p4p when beat again
Judah: Former Undisputed Welterweight champ, at best first time 140
Tackie: Mandatory no1 contender, 12 rd shut out, never the same again.

I would say those are Tszyus best fights. Julio Cesar Chavez was the mandatory no1 challenger, not the garbish man, as much as you dislike the fact.

True Kostya doesnt have a prime hall of fame opponent to his list, but you take Chavez anyway, as they fought, and one of onlt two guys to EVER drop him.

The quality of opponnets goes from year 1995,96, 98,99,2000,2001,2002. It was a significant reign, with other guys fought between these times. I mean if you look up Pineda now, he was shot and going down after that fight, but up until then, a great challenger. That was the case for many of Tszyus opponents, when they lost, never the same. How you rate them, personal prefernce. Tackie was not the same guy fighting Hatton when he fought Tszyu etc.

Since Hatton doesnt like southpaws, how would he go with Mitchell and Judah. We may have a chance to see Judah, past both guys best before they're both done. A great career, and top3 alltime 140 punds, with Pryor, and i'd have Chavez behind them based on actual work at that weight.

TSZYU - Hall of fame fighter, one of the greatest 140 pound fighters all time, near 36 when lost
CASTILLO - Past his best. NEVER did Anything to be called Great. Good fighter, big difference to Tszyu
COLLAZO - Not a great boxer won a belt through circumstance, never seen since, lost title first or second defence.
URANGO - Solid fighter
MALIGNAGGI - A good fighter
MAUSSA - Beat a trashed Harris, doesnt everyone, like Witter. Not a great fighter
LAZCANO - Never a World Champ. A nobody on the alltime list
PHILLIPS - WELL past his best

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Rodriguez:
Pineda:
Bergman
Grove
Ruelas
Hurtado
Gonzalez
Chavez
Mitchell
Judah
Tackie


Kostya has a better resume..He fought better guys, and some opponents in common when they were at their best, not faded. It was a long and distinguished record, and thats why he is a hall of fame fighter. Hatton is a good fighter, and I was surprised how badly he lost to Pacquiao. Top ten p4p on his day. Struggles badly against Southpaws, as evident against Collazo prior to Pacquiao. Still has a chance for a title and a good win before he retires


Have it your way then, Hatton was a Fluke. OR he beat an overated fighter and has never beaten Any top fighter Ricky Hatton demolished! " Bring Me To Life " by evanescence

[jamiebhoy]

Sorry I am now confused, who is this thread about ?? As for KT , tha guy was a great fighter but when people defend his loss against Hatton by throwing up the age question then ask youself why in the f**ck was he in there, cause he didn't rate hatton and got taken, age or not FACT .....he lost, go build a bridge.

[KostyaTszyuTeam]

It's a collective of facts in support of why Tszyu was infact an alltime great, one of the top two 140 pound fighters ever. Alot of that post was posted elsewhere in response to wanting to explain why Tszyus resume was as destinguished as I said it was.

True, he could still fight, even at near 36, but he hadn't fought in nearly 2 years, going only 3 rounds in that time..

Ricky Hatton was the better man on the night, cheers

[Fenster]

It's a collective of facts in support of why Tszyu was infact an alltime great, one of the top two 140 pound fighters ever. Alot of that post was posted elsewhere in response to wanting to explain why Tszyus resume was as destinguished as I said it was.

True, he could still fight, even at near 36, but he hadn't fought in nearly 2 years, going only 3 rounds in that time..

Ricky Hatton was the better man on the night, cheers

No.. the post shows, based on his pro record, Kostya should be called a good fighter not a great one. He simply hasn't beaten (or fought) enough Grade 1 opposition.

If Kostya is great then many others, with similar records, like Hatton, should be called great too. But that's not the case.

And the very fact a PRIME Kostya was whooped by old Vince Phillips is an unforgiving, glaring stain on his "greatness."

[Mr140]

Well to me KT is very overrated by people i mean his resume is that of Hatton they are the same no other way for me to look at it at all. As for him being great i really dont think he deserves that title really i mean you can put him in top what ever 140 people but not the word great no. As for the JCC win please dont make me laugh Oscar finished anything that was left on that dude as for him not getting fights with big boys well Phillips kicking his ass kinda put a dent on the Mosley or Dela Hoya fights.

[Saddo]

How dare you the great Kostya beaten by a club fighter.... i wont hear of it

[The_Infinite]

I think he hasn't gotten over the Kostya loss to Hatton

[ElTerribleMorales]

guess using your logic we can ask, Is Tzsyu a chicken shit for quitting on his stool and then running into retirement, ala Hamed?

do i think that? no

do i think that Hatton is a club fighter? no, he's a former 3 time world champion, held world titles in 2 divisions and was the man at 140 twice, IMO he's a top 10 junior welter of all time, but do i think he's one of the greatest fighters of his time, no

[Nameless]

WHAT WHAT WHAT does the Hatton-Kosta thing has to do with the original question? To my eyes, nothing. No matter if Tszyu or Hatton has been the best, it doesn't mean Hatton was a club fighter. As far as I am concerned, Hatton is a very good boxer, he's just not top of the elite and his life style plus his "absorb blows" type of defense are simply shortening his career by a couple of years but nowhere because he has been battered by two of the top boxers in the world or the "where does he stand" compared to Kosta means he's releagued to a club boxer status.

[God.in.my.corner]

So a loss (albeit a dismantling) to the top fighter in the world make you club fighter?

Hatton is a very good fighter. Not great.

KT is a great 140. The Hatton-KT fight was an ugly lesson in dirty boxing. KT fought the wrong fight and lost. Hatto's tactics made me ill, but they were effective.

[killersheep]

Well I'm not sure I heard the argument for this the first 5 times you brought up the exact same information, could you please repeat it.
Clearly this is not a wind up thread, and KostyaTzsyu'sPowerRangerSquad is simply looking to inform.