Can you be an all time great if your best win is against Jeff Lacy?

[boozeboxer]

I don't know anybody who's best win was against Jeff Lacy, so I can't comment

Well you see the point I was getting at here...

[BIG H]

I don't know anybody who's best win was against Jeff Lacy, so I can't comment

Well you see the point I was getting at here...

Not really - because my thread was responding to specific comments about Hatton's opposition from somebody who then used Tszyu's opposition (which aint any better) as an argument for him being an ATG.

[BIG H]

I think beating Jeff Lacy, Mikkel Kessler, A still very good Bernard Hopkins, World champions such as Eubank, Woodhall, Reid, Mitchell & Brewer and remaining undefeated for 15 years would give you at least an equal claim as somebody who got banged out by a veteran Vince Philips

[Hunter]

I dont think either Joe Calzaghe or Kostya Tszyu are all time great fighters.

Discuss.

[LEGION]

I dont think either Joe Calzaghe or Kostya Tszyu are all time great fighters.

Discuss.

Here we go again


Turning that horse into a bottle of glue

[ElTerribleMorales]

I think beating Jeff Lacy, Mikkel Kessler, A still very good Bernard Hopkins, World champions such as Eubank, Woodhall, Reid, Mitchell & Brewer and remaining undefeated for 15 years would give you at least an equal claim as somebody who got banged out by a veteran Vince Philips

many think B-Hop beat him, Eubank was old and shot, many feel that even Reid beat Calzaghe, he remained undefeated for 15 yrs, cause he took on fighters like Peter Manfredo, and refused to take on the best while they were the best, for example Roy Jones, the bigger name, and Calzaghe didn't make an effort to get the fight until Jones was shot, hardly make Calzaghe an all time great

I dont think either Joe Calzaghe or Kostya Tszyu are all time great fighters.

Discuss.

same here, i'd say that both were the best in their respective divisions, but both had pretty weak divisions (and i'm saying this after re-watching and analysing most of Tszyu's big wins), both were very good fighters, i'd hardly say great

[OumaFan]

Calzaghe is an all time great, Kostya Tsyzu I don't think so.

[Hunter]

Calzaghe is an all time great, Kostya Tsyzu I don't think so.

I dont consider Joe Cal an all time great but he is definitley closer than Kostya.

[Kel]

Calzaghe is an all time great, Kostya Tsyzu I don't think so.

Well the thing with Kostya is that after he first lost as a pro he came back and unified all the belts by fighting the best guys in his division. We don't know if Joe could have come back from a loss in such a way and never will and we know he never fought the best in his division.

Joe has a good record and retired unbeaten but I'd say coming back from a loss and dominating the division is just as great.

[BIG H]

I think beating Jeff Lacy, Mikkel Kessler, A still very good Bernard Hopkins, World champions such as Eubank, Woodhall, Reid, Mitchell & Brewer and remaining undefeated for 15 years would give you at least an equal claim as somebody who got banged out by a veteran Vince Philips

many think B-Hop beat him, Eubank was old and shot, many feel that even Reid beat Calzaghe, he remained undefeated for 15 yrs, cause he took on fighters like Peter Manfredo, and refused to take on the best while they were the best, for example Roy Jones, the bigger name, and Calzaghe didn't make an effort to get the fight until Jones was shot, hardly make Calzaghe an all time great

I dont think either Joe Calzaghe or Kostya Tszyu are all time great fighters.

Discuss.

same here, i'd say that both were the best in their respective divisions, but both had pretty weak divisions (and i'm saying this after re-watching and analysing most of Tszyu's big wins), both were very good fighters, i'd hardly say great

Eubank had plenty left, he put on one of his best performances against JC and then stepped up 2 weight divisions and had 2 epic battles with Carl Thompson. I had JC beating Reid and Nard. As for JC not making the effort to get the Jones fight, don't het me started on the fights Jones should've had and didn't!

[ElTerribleMorales]

I think beating Jeff Lacy, Mikkel Kessler, A still very good Bernard Hopkins, World champions such as Eubank, Woodhall, Reid, Mitchell & Brewer and remaining undefeated for 15 years would give you at least an equal claim as somebody who got banged out by a veteran Vince Philips

many think B-Hop beat him, Eubank was old and shot, many feel that even Reid beat Calzaghe, he remained undefeated for 15 yrs, cause he took on fighters like Peter Manfredo, and refused to take on the best while they were the best, for example Roy Jones, the bigger name, and Calzaghe didn't make an effort to get the fight until Jones was shot, hardly make Calzaghe an all time great

I dont think either Joe Calzaghe or Kostya Tszyu are all time great fighters.

Discuss.

same here, i'd say that both were the best in their respective divisions, but both had pretty weak divisions (and i'm saying this after re-watching and analysing most of Tszyu's big wins), both were very good fighters, i'd hardly say great

Eubank had plenty left, he put on one of his best performances against JC and then stepped up 2 weight divisions and had 2 epic battles with Carl Thompson. I had JC beating Reid and Nard. As for JC not making the effort to get the Jones fight, don't het me started on the fights Jones should've had and didn't!

why is that not a surprise coming from you? and you mean the same Thompson who already had 4 losses when he took on an ancient Eubank? i'd dare say more people will say that Hopkins and Reid won the fights against Calzaghe, and on the Jones thing, who was the bigger name in their primes on an international level? that's right it was the man who was p4p king for most of his career, Jones Jr

[ICB]

I think beating Jeff Lacy, Mikkel Kessler, A still very good Bernard Hopkins, World champions such as Eubank, Woodhall, Reid, Mitchell & Brewer and remaining undefeated for 15 years would give you at least an equal claim as somebody who got banged out by a veteran Vince Philips

many think B-Hop beat him, Eubank was old and shot, many feel that even Reid beat Calzaghe, he remained undefeated for 15 yrs, cause he took on fighters like Peter Manfredo, and refused to take on the best while they were the best, for example Roy Jones, the bigger name, and Calzaghe didn't make an effort to get the fight until Jones was shot, hardly make Calzaghe an all time great

I dont think either Joe Calzaghe or Kostya Tszyu are all time great fighters.

Discuss.

same here, i'd say that both were the best in their respective divisions, but both had pretty weak divisions (and i'm saying this after re-watching and analysing most of Tszyu's big wins), both were very good fighters, i'd hardly say great

Eubank had plenty left, he put on one of his best performances against JC and then stepped up 2 weight divisions and had 2 epic battles with Carl Thompson. I had JC beating Reid and Nard. As for JC not making the effort to get the Jones fight, don't het me started on the fights Jones should've had and didn't!

Yes but the weight issue with Chris Eubank has to be brought up, i agree Chris Eubank still did have quite alot left and it was a good win for Joe Calzaghe. But still Chris Eubank was weight drained and no matter what anyone says that does take some credit away from Joe Calzaghe.

While we are talking about Chris Eubank vs Joe Calzaghe, does anyone else think Joe Calzaghe would of been knocked down if that right hand of Chris Eubank had landed earlier ?

[Taeth]

I think beating Jeff Lacy, Mikkel Kessler, A still very good Bernard Hopkins, World champions such as Eubank, Woodhall, Reid, Mitchell & Brewer and remaining undefeated for 15 years would give you at least an equal claim as somebody who got banged out by a veteran Vince Philips

If he beat Hopkins, if Hopkins won, and what happens when you have a hard time landing cleanly on a 40 year old who could still pot shot you at will when you weren't overwhelming him with slaps? I give Calzaghe all the credit in the world for coming up so close with Hopkins(I felt Hopkins won by the knockdown) and beating guys like Kessler and Lacy so onesidedly, but he looked bad against Roy Jones, and I still say those people who gave him 11 rounds were smoking crack.

[RozzySean]

I think beating Jeff Lacy, Mikkel Kessler, A still very good Bernard Hopkins, World champions such as Eubank, Woodhall, Reid, Mitchell & Brewer and remaining undefeated for 15 years would give you at least an equal claim as somebody who got banged out by a veteran Vince Philips

If he beat Hopkins, if Hopkins won, and what happens when you have a hard time landing cleanly on a 40 year old who could still pot shot you at will when you weren't overwhelming him with slaps? I give Calzaghe all the credit in the world for coming up so close with Hopkins(I felt Hopkins won by the knockdown) and beating guys like Kessler and Lacy so onesidedly, but he looked bad against Roy Jones, and I still say those people who gave him 11 rounds were smoking crack.

Until he got cut, Jones was giving Calzaghe all he could handle. Jones was tagging with right hands constantly. If Jones would have put it all out on the line after he hurt Calzaghe, he might have stopped him. I was sitting surrounded by Calzaghe fans and not of them would deny that a young Roy would have destroyed Calzaghe after seeing how close it was against a shot Roy Jones.

[BIG H]

I think beating Jeff Lacy, Mikkel Kessler, A still very good Bernard Hopkins, World champions such as Eubank, Woodhall, Reid, Mitchell & Brewer and remaining undefeated for 15 years would give you at least an equal claim as somebody who got banged out by a veteran Vince Philips

If he beat Hopkins, if Hopkins won, and what happens when you have a hard time landing cleanly on a 40 year old who could still pot shot you at will when you weren't overwhelming him with slaps? I give Calzaghe all the credit in the world for coming up so close with Hopkins(I felt Hopkins won by the knockdown) and beating guys like Kessler and Lacy so onesidedly, but he looked bad against Roy Jones, and I still say those people who gave him 11 rounds were smoking crack.

Until he got cut, Jones was giving Calzaghe all he could handle. Jones was tagging with right hands constantly. If Jones would have put it all out on the line after he hurt Calzaghe, he might have stopped him. I was sitting surrounded by Calzaghe fans and not of them would deny that a young Roy would have destroyed Calzaghe after seeing how close it was against a shot Roy Jones.

I agree with you that a young Jones beats any version of Calzaghe, but I think you were watching a different fight if you actually think Jones was ever in anyway 'In' the fight that actually happend.