Lyle sets the heavyweight division straight

[leftylee]

Of course it would be better if Haye beat Bitchsko. Haye wouldn't be booed out of the arena and send people to sleep. He would add charisma, power and speed to the divison and get it more talked about. Nobody wants to see Wladimir Klitchsko throwing that jab with the occasional right every few rounds en route to a boring win. David Haye will come out swinging and will get people on the edge of the seats. He won't mess around in there.

And why would it help if Haye was American ? All American fighters are useless and fat. Look at Arreola. He must be carrying at least 30 pounds of excess fat. Tony Thompson ? The pussy cat who went down like a sack of shiit against Klitchsko. Eddie Chambers ? He calls himself fast ? please.

Listen, lefty...EVERYONE on Saddoboxing knows that you love some David Haye and that you think he's the greatest fighter ever but this thread is about the ENTIRE heavyweight division and not just one fighter and the point I am trying to make to you but you are too dense to understand it is that if Haye does the impossible and wins and he doesn't have anyone new or in shape to fight then the division as a whole will continue to suck and sure you would be happy Haye won and would be champ but it would get old after a couple title defenses vs the likes of Eddie Chambers, Oleg Maskaev, and Denis Boytsov.

Also lefty, if you make one more post that is ONLY about David Haye and how he's the greatest, I will neg rep the shit out of you, and ask the Mods to remove you from this thread (hopefully they will heed my call). You hunt me down where ever I post and no matter what it's about (music, movies, politics) you bring up David fucking Haye...I don't give a fuck about David Haye and the fact you keep bringing him up all the God damn time just makes me want to see Haye repeatedly KO'd in the worst manner possible....and the sad thing is, if you weren't such a twat about it maybe I could appreciate David Haye, but thanks to you that is out of the question.

But back to the topic at hand, I think there are lots of exciting matchups to be made in the division, but the lack of "brand name" fighters has really hurt the heavyweights more than any other division. The loss of Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield, and Bowe at the top of the heap have really left the division reeling. The other weight classes constantly have fighters shuffling in and out and since there is a constant flow of new fighters or fighters new to a weight class, you don't get the stagnant feel of the heavyweight division where the only guys that come up are cruiserweights and light heavyweights and RARELY do they ever have an impact on the division and you have guys like John Ruiz, Andrew Golota, and Oleg Maskaev getting multiple title shots when fresher heavyweights (Dimitrenko, Povetkin, Arreola, et al) could more than likely beat the shit out of those old guys. The fact that the division is the proverbial "end of the line" and cruiserweight is soooooo bad (we have had good cruiserweight fighters in the heavyweight division but the cruiserweight division as a whole constantly sucks) hurts the division.

Go for it, see if I care. Go bitch ass to the mods. Didn't know that was the American culture. And I'll keep going on about Haye over and over until June 20th and ALL the time afterwards when he destroys the fukking shiit out of Bitchsko. Damn I can't wait.

[El Kabong]

Can you not leave me alone in any thread?? I asked nicely, I explained in a manner so that even a borderline retard such as yourself could understand

This thread isn't an invitation for you to post about your boyfriend David Haye whom I might add has done absolutely jack shit in the heavyweight division. Pack up your dollies and go home....this thread was meant for the SERIOUS boxing fans and not little Kool Aid drinkers like yourself.....don't cry to hard when Haye boxing's FALSE IDOL gets knocked the fuck out.

Haye didn't work his way to the top, he hasn't sacrificed in the ring, and he doesn't have the heart much less the skill to compete with Wladimir.



Anyway, back on topic....

[BIG H]

Of course it would be better if Haye beat Bitchsko. Haye wouldn't be booed out of the arena and send people to sleep. He would add charisma, power and speed to the divison and get it more talked about. Nobody wants to see Wladimir Klitchsko throwing that jab with the occasional right every few rounds en route to a boring win. David Haye will come out swinging and will get people on the edge of the seats. He won't mess around in there.

And why would it help if Haye was American ? All American fighters are useless and fat. Look at Arreola. He must be carrying at least 30 pounds of excess fat. Tony Thompson ? The pussy cat who went down like a sack of shiit against Klitchsko. Eddie Chambers ? He calls himself fast ? please.

Listen, lefty...EVERYONE on Saddoboxing knows that you love some David Haye and that you think he's the greatest fighter ever but this thread is about the ENTIRE heavyweight division and not just one fighter and the point I am trying to make to you but you are too dense to understand it is that if Haye does the impossible and wins and he doesn't have anyone new or in shape to fight then the division as a whole will continue to suck and sure you would be happy Haye won and would be champ but it would get old after a couple title defenses vs the likes of Eddie Chambers, Oleg Maskaev, and Denis Boytsov.

Also lefty, if you make one more post that is ONLY about David Haye and how he's the greatest,I will neg rep the shit out of you, and ask the Mods to remove you from this thread(hopefully they will heed my call). You hunt me down where ever I post and no matter what it's about (music, movies, politics) you bring up David fucking Haye...I don't give a fuck about David Haye and the fact you keep bringing him up all the God damn time just makes me want to see Haye repeatedly KO'd in the worst manner possible....and the sad thing is, if you weren't such a twat about it maybe I could appreciate David Haye, but thanks to you that is out of the question.

But back to the topic at hand, I think there are lots of exciting matchups to be made in the division, but the lack of "brand name" fighters has really hurt the heavyweights more than any other division. The loss of Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield, and Bowe at the top of the heap have really left the division reeling. The other weight classes constantly have fighters shuffling in and out and since there is a constant flow of new fighters or fighters new to a weight class, you don't get the stagnant feel of the heavyweight division where the only guys that come up are cruiserweights and light heavyweights and RARELY do they ever have an impact on the division and you have guys like John Ruiz, Andrew Golota, and Oleg Maskaev getting multiple title shots when fresher heavyweights (Dimitrenko, Povetkin, Arreola, et al) could more than likely beat the shit out of those old guys. The fact that the division is the proverbial "end of the line" and cruiserweight is soooooo bad (we have had good cruiserweight fighters in the heavyweight division but the cruiserweight division as a whole constantly sucks) hurts the division.

Go for it, see if I care. Go bitch ass to the mods. Didn't know that was the American culture. And I'll keep going on about Haye over and over until June 20th and ALL the time afterwards when he destroys the fukking shiit out of Bitchsko. Damn I can't wait.

Clean it up please fella - this is on the main board

[WelshDevilRob]

Very good Topic, Lyle. I agree with all your points and in particular the US Heavyweights. The division for the vast majority of it's history with gloves has been ruled by Americans and I for one want to see dominant US Heavyweights.

The Heavyweights is the division I follow most though that has been more difficult in recent years. For me boxing is all about dominant US Heavyweights. Hopefully a fighter or fighters appear but there may need to be alot of changes to the US amateur system and also promoters concentrating on young talent rather than giving the same old guys opportunities.

[El Kabong]

Now the Americans don't HAVE to run any division, we just need some new blood in the division....we're still waiting for the heir to the Tyson-Holyfield-Bowe throne but even the average guys like Tommy Morrison (a fan favorite) were great for the sport #1 Because he could punch #2 He had dramatic fights #3 Well being white AND in Rocky V helped out a bit, but guys didn't have to be white, Ray Mercer was enjoyed for a while. I wish he had gotten more chances before getting old.

Mercer vs: Tyson, McCall, Golota, Tua would have been great.

But guys like Mercer and Morrison who were from our amateur boxing system who could box AND who could punch just simply aren't there anymore: Devin Vargas and Jason Estrada just ain't cutting it

[Wayne]

lefty, i would love to do a sig bet with you. guys who are crowning Haye as the heir apparent amaze me. the guy has proven nothing in the division and you call Klitschko boring even though he has a much higher than average ko percentage (80 something percent if I'm not mistaken). the Haye train comes to a stunning halt on the 20th.

[killersheep]

Now the Americans don't HAVE to run any division, we just need some new blood in the division....we're still waiting for the heir to the Tyson-Holyfield-Bowe throne but even the average guys like Tommy Morrison (a fan favorite) were great for the sport #1 Because he could punch #2 He had dramatic fights #3 Well being white AND in Rocky V helped out a bit, but guys didn't have to be white, Ray Mercer was enjoyed for a while. I wish he had gotten more chances before getting old.

Mercer vs: Tyson, McCall, Golota, Tua would have been great.

But guys like Mercer and Morrison who were from our amateur boxing system who could box AND who could punch just simply aren't there anymore: Devin Vargas and Jason Estrada just ain't cutting it

I think that with some quality training Deontay Wilder could develop into a great American heavyweight. He has phenomenal athleticism and is a great guy to boot. The irony of it (giving further creedence to your statement) is that he had the least amatuer training of the whole US Olympic squad. I think that someone be it Arreola or Kevin Johnson or whomever it may be, has to INSPIRE the next generation to want to become boxers.

[HattonTheHammer]

Now the Americans don't HAVE to run any division, we just need some new blood in the division....we're still waiting for the heir to the Tyson-Holyfield-Bowe throne but even the average guys like Tommy Morrison (a fan favorite) were great for the sport #1 Because he could punch #2 He had dramatic fights #3 Well being white AND in Rocky V helped out a bit, but guys didn't have to be white, Ray Mercer was enjoyed for a while. I wish he had gotten more chances before getting old.

Mercer vs: Tyson, McCall, Golota, Tua would have been great.

But guys like Mercer and Morrison who were from our amateur boxing system who could box AND who could punch just simply aren't there anymore: Devin Vargas and Jason Estrada just ain't cutting it

I think that with some quality training Deontay Wilder could develop into a great American heavyweight. He has phenomenal athleticism and is a great guy to boot. The irony of it (giving further creedence to your statement) is that he had the least amatuer training of the whole US Olympic squad. I think that someone be it Arreola or Kevin Johnson or whomever it may be, has to INSPIRE the next generation to want to become boxers.

im slightly swayed towards the fact this could be an economical problem above anything else.

Wheres the incentive for these young guys to stick to the most brutal and harshest sport around when they could be earning millions to run into people or throw balls into baskets?

The dedication and willingness to become a top level boxer exceeds every other sport because you need to be finessed in every single attribute and be able to tick all the boxes.

Academys need setting up to nurture these young guys not just in terms of ability but financially so they can afford to spend 3/4 evenings a week hitting a punch bag or sparring rather than at a national football trial or college basketball event.

Theres a clear reason why america no longer dominates the heavyweight scene and it needs to be addressed not just for the sake of heavyweight boxing but the entire sport itself as without the biggest division boxing can no longer reach the highs of the 70s and 80s!!