where would pac be on atg list if....

[ElTerribleMorales]

where would Ivan Calderon be on atg list IF he jumped up to Heavyweight and took a decision against Valuev?

If's don't really mean shit until it happens

honestly we should be judging where he sould be by what he's actually done, and a loss to Mayweather, Cotto, or Mosley wouldn't diminish that one bit, i have Manny ranked in my top 25 ATG list, and anyone who says that's an injust position, (regarding that he should be ranked higher) just look at the competition that he's faced, compared to the likes of Ali, Robinson, Chavez, Hagler, etc. and considering how many GREAT fighters there are, 25 is nothing but a compliment, and speaks volumes of what he's done

[Julius Rain]

where would Ivan Calderon be on atg list IF he jumped up to Heavyweight and took a decision against Valuev?

If's don't really mean shit until it happens

honestly we should be judging where he sould be by what he's actually done, and a loss to Mayweather, Cotto, or Mosley wouldn't diminish that one bit, i have Manny ranked in my top 25 ATG list, and anyone who says that's an injust position, (regarding that he should be ranked higher) just look at the competition that he's faced, compared to the likes of Ali, Robinson, Chavez, Hagler, etc. and considering how many GREAT fighters there are, 25 is nothing but a compliment, and speaks volumes of what he's done

i was hoping to get a calm discussiong going on amongst other curious boxing fans. obviously your a bit of an anti pac so please do not ruin this thread.

[ElTerribleMorales]

where would Ivan Calderon be on atg list IF he jumped up to Heavyweight and took a decision against Valuev?

If's don't really mean shit until it happens

honestly we should be judging where he sould be by what he's actually done, and a loss to Mayweather, Cotto, or Mosley wouldn't diminish that one bit, i have Manny ranked in my top 25 ATG list, and anyone who says that's an injust position, (regarding that he should be ranked higher) just look at the competition that he's faced, compared to the likes of Ali, Robinson, Chavez, Hagler, etc. and considering how many GREAT fighters there are, 25 is nothing but a compliment, and speaks volumes of what he's done

i was hoping to get a calm discussiong going on amongst other curious boxing fans. obviously your a bit of an anti pac so please do not ruin this thread.

how is giving my honest opinion ruining the thread? and i'm not anti pac, just cause i don't think he's the greatest fighter to lace up gloves i'm labeled a hater, i have Manny in my top 25, my favorite fighter Morales isn't even in my top 25 ATG, that's gotta say something, you Paclovers need to come to grips with reality, he's a great fighter, he's NOT the greatest boxer of all time, just cause someone says so doesn't mean they hate the dude, get over yourself seriously

[Violent Demise]

Top 50 easily

[skel1983]

Top 50 easily

[kingfrnk]

around top 20-10

[XaduBoxer]

PAC the only boxer to capture 4 lineal titles at 140, 130, 126 and 112... He's also the 2nd boxer so far to capture titles in 6 divisions at 140, 135, 130, 126, 122 and 112... PAC is the only boxer right now having a good chance to attain a title in 7th weight division if he will go that route...

With the above credentials, PAC a Top 5 ATG or Top 10 easily...
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[ElTerribleMorales]

PAC the only boxer to capture 4 lineal titles at 140, 130, 126 and 112... He's also the 2nd boxer so far to capture titles in 6 divisions at 140, 135, 130, 126, 122 and 112... PAC is the only boxer right now having a good chance to attain a title in 7th weight division if he will go that route...

With the above credentials, PAC a Top 5 ATG or Top 10 easily...
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DLH only the third to win in 5 divisions and FIRST in 6, has a better resume IMO and still doesn't make it in top 20, you can easily take apart Manny's accomplishments an see they don't measure up to other great fighters from the past, who on top of what they had to deal with IN the ring, also had a lot more shit like racism and segregation happening out the ring, yet managed to do great things

[Spicoli]

PAC the only boxer to capture 4 lineal titles at 140, 130, 126 and 112... He's also the 2nd boxer so far to capture titles in 6 divisions at 140, 135, 130, 126, 122 and 112... PAC is the only boxer right now having a good chance to attain a title in 7th weight division if he will go that route...

With the above credentials, PAC a Top 5 ATG or Top 10 easily...
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You know...who would you rank above him as all time great ?

[Julius Rain]

where would Ivan Calderon be on atg list IF he jumped up to Heavyweight and took a decision against Valuev?

If's don't really mean shit until it happens

honestly we should be judging where he sould be by what he's actually done, and a loss to Mayweather, Cotto, or Mosley wouldn't diminish that one bit, i have Manny ranked in my top 25 ATG list, and anyone who says that's an injust position, (regarding that he should be ranked higher) just look at the competition that he's faced, compared to the likes of Ali, Robinson, Chavez, Hagler, etc. and considering how many GREAT fighters there are, 25 is nothing but a compliment, and speaks volumes of what he's done

i was hoping to get a calm discussiong going on amongst other curious boxing fans. obviously your a bit of an anti pac so please do not ruin this thread.

how is giving my honest opinion ruining the thread? and i'm not anti pac, just cause i don't think he's the greatest fighter to lace up gloves i'm labeled a hater, i have Manny in my top 25, my favorite fighter Morales isn't even in my top 25 ATG, that's gotta say something, you Paclovers need to come to grips with reality, he's a great fighter, he's NOT the greatest boxer of all time, just cause someone says so doesn't mean they hate the dude, get over yourself seriously

your just as bad as saddoboxer, can you two just get a room and fuck eachother in the ass!

[XaduBoxer]

i was hoping to get a calm discussiong going on amongst other curious boxing fans. obviously your a bit of an anti pac so please do not ruin this thread.

how is giving my honest opinion ruining the thread? and i'm not anti pac, just cause i don't think he's the greatest fighter to lace up gloves i'm labeled a hater, i have Manny in my top 25, my favorite fighter Morales isn't even in my top 25 ATG, that's gotta say something, you Paclovers need to come to grips with reality, he's a great fighter, he's NOT the greatest boxer of all time, just cause someone says so doesn't mean they hate the dude, get over yourself seriously

your just as bad as saddoboxer, can you two just get a room and fuck eachother in the ass!

Bend over Mr. Erik... (joke)
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[miron_lang]

PBF - Arguably the Greatest of his time

Mosley - a legit Welterweight title holder


The product will be


4 linear Titles ( Nobody has done this )
additional titles @122(IBF) 135(WBC) and @147(WBA) *all variety

that's a total of 7 titles in 7 weight divisions. Everybody should agree that that is a monstrous achievement.


TOP 4 only behind Robinson, Ali and Armstrong.

[Mr140]

Well i for one have a hard time putting him near top 10 because to me there no way he ranks over Sugar Ray Leonard in my book at all. I mean saddoboxer you and i talk about this and not sure i agree with the Pac at 112 being lineal because i think Sugar Ray Leonard could of been at 168. So that make him have the same amount of lineal titles in my book. And look at the names Hearns Prime, Benitez Prime, Duran not sure on that, and then Hagler was not prime neither was Leonard and the lay off. I have Sugar Ray Leonard at 10 and there no way pac is above Leonard well i just cant put him above him maybe some other people can not me i just think that Leonard did more in his career.

[Quinito]

i was hoping to get a calm discussiong going on amongst other curious boxing fans. obviously your a bit of an anti pac so please do not ruin this thread.

how is giving my honest opinion ruining the thread? and i'm not anti pac, just cause i don't think he's the greatest fighter to lace up gloves i'm labeled a hater, i have Manny in my top 25, my favorite fighter Morales isn't even in my top 25 ATG, that's gotta say something, you Paclovers need to come to grips with reality, he's a great fighter, he's NOT the greatest boxer of all time, just cause someone says so doesn't mean they hate the dude, get over yourself seriously

your just as bad as saddoboxer, can you two just get a room and fuck eachother in the ass!

Lmfao!

[Mr140]

Well saddo i just look up the rings champions and all i found was that there is no proof of pacs lineal champions ship at 112 so to me he is in the same boat as leonard is because there is no lineal title for him either 168. List of The Ring world champions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia there is a link of the different champions all you got to do i look at it and they show no champions the have the name pac at 112 or Leonard at 168. To me that means kinda in the same boat they could both claim it.