Who did Hatton ever beat?

[KostyaTszyuTeam]

Really, when Aaron Pryor was 32, after a two year undefeated layoff, he came back and LOST to Bobby Joe Young!!

Pryor at 32.............maybe your confusing him with a Prime Pryor.

[Mr140]

Kt to me yet again been said a million times it tad on the overrated side. His place with the history books is that of Hatton good but not great. I think people such as Pryor, Chavez and Benitez have claims over him. But i have said nothin that has not been brought up just let it die dude.

[KostyaTszyuTeam]

First of all, Tszyu IS rated by most as the 2nd greatest 140 fighter by consensus. Additionally, his resume is far far longer than Pryors, reigning longer, but i'd probably have Pryor at no1, and he did beat 1 great fighter in his Prime, Arguello, who was much smaller coming from an inital start afew weight classes beloww, but Argello IS one of the alltime greats, and powerful and skillful. He looked like the offensive dynamo did Pryor.

He chased Leonard who ducked him, . He reigned much shorter though. Hardly anyone acknowledges Tszyu prior to his visit to the U.S. in osin to Phillips, and he was quite different befoe then, so it doesnt surprise me others dont know as much, as most his first half of his career was fought in Aus.

Even by way of defacto rights, he is a great fighter, as if he didnt beat any great figher, he certainly beat excellent ones AS te great fighter. To be a great fighter, you have to accomplish great things. 10 years as a world champion IS a great accomplshment against excellent opposition, and whether you think he's merely good, he IS one of the alltime great 140 pound fighers, and Canastota will say as much.

BTW..........since your bringing up the same Benitez who has his ass handed to him by the same Leonard who ducked Pryor, the same guy who rates Tszyu second best behind him, the man fought like 4 times as champion at 140,. Why dont you throw in Whittaker as he fought a couple times there. The only guy I'd throw in would be Chavez, as he did more than them there, but wasnt there longer than the others.

As much as you dislike it saying he never beat anyone great, HE is great by defacto right beating excelent opposition through the great accomlishment of reigning so long.

Why do you let it die and accept the facts, as that is fact that being a world champion for ten years in a very deep division taking out excellent boxers is a great accomplishment.

BTW Benitez was the bigger great man being a former junio Middle weight Champion!

FACT

[Mr140]

Fact is he had his ass handed to him by Phillips in his prime never had the balls to move up divsions to get the big fights and prove his greatness. Pryor had no claim to Leonard what so ever and his record above lw is a loss to a nobody he to had week ass comp just like kt did o well. As for Benitez would of outclassed Kt i say Benitez knocks him out late.

[KostyaTszyuTeam]

Your wrong btw........

Just after Tszyu Unified, he was talking of going to 147 to fight Spinks, possibly Forrest, same guy he stylistically owned in the world amateur title fight Right before Both went Pro.

Interms of going up the weights, he should've started at 135, since he fought at 140 for 12 years. He maybe couldve fought at 130 if he so tried, and his comparitive power would have been INSANE.

Anyway, NOT MANY know of his earlier half of his career before Phillips. And no, he got tkoed to Philips in a close fight, below his best. There is a story of the court case in the middle of his training, but he lost, so cant use that as an excuse. Sometimes you just underperformed, and for him he came back.

But yes, he wanted to fight Spinks, Mosely, Forrest, and especially De La Hota at 147, possibly even 154 for the right price or opponent. He still hits harder the De La Hoya two weight classes below, ask a common opponent lie Gonzalez.

He did lose in his prime, story aside FACT. You dont know his career nearly as well as I, therefore im not surprised you say he avoided going up in weight. The time he was supposed to, he was injured. The the challenge of Mitchell was there, a guy some say had given Tszyu trouble fight one in both guys primes, same winner twice though..

He was injured for nearly two years. Therefore when returning, the fight he wanted first was Gatti. Alot of money. Gatti chose PBF. Then Tszyu was talking about Mayweather if he beat Hatton, a guy he underestimated, assuning he'd win easy enough. He was proven considerably wrong that night.

Tszyu also changed his training and fight tactics after Phillips, as he used to have a more basic preperation, and fought a style more gung ho. Against Phillips the ended up trading bombs, and Tszyu is such a powerful puncher p4p, Phillips MAY HAVE BEEN MORE POWERFUL.

Actually, the slating Tszyu received in the U.S. after that, really damaged his reputation that the U.S. media didnt know much of in the earlier part of his career fought in Aus. It took charcter to cop it sweet and return taking out everyone to reinvent himself with a more cautious style so as to never be caught like that again.

His reign, again, whether he lost once in his prime or not, was a great accomplishment in boxing terms. Therefore, if as you say he beay no great opponents just good ones, being wold champion 10 years is a great achievement and that makes him great by defacto standards by your criteria, as that is a great accomplishment,. and reinventing yourself when down, and he was sued down to his underwear broke took charcater..

He came back from adversity, and Canastota only inducts guys who did great things in boxing, and what he did was a great achievement. Good fighter to you, who realised a great accomlishment by my understanding world champion 10 years. Therefore to a more harsh appraisal, he has defcato rights to greatness.

Alltime in the 140 pound division, by top 3 greatest 140 fghters alltime, whether you think he's overated or not. He still achieved great accomplishments.

FACT

[RP33]

Not exactly sure why this thread is so long as there isn't much to talk about..

Hatton is a fun fighter to watch and very charismatic.. this is the reason he's so popular and potentially over rated by his fans.. He isn't a ridiculous talent, but he has a ton of heart and is a brawler, which is what fans like to watch..

Tszyu quit on his stool when he could have potentially been winning the fight (and in my eyes i thought he was).. but WHO CARES, bottom line is that he quit, and Hatton got the win against a great fighter and that is nothing to sneeze at.

[Violent Demise]

Really, when Aaron Pryor was 32, after a two year undefeated layoff, he came back and LOST to Bobby Joe Young!!

Pryor at 32.............maybe your confusing him with a Prime Pryor.

A drug free Pryor smashes Hatton. No matter how old he is

[BIG H]

Really, when Aaron Pryor was 32, after a two year undefeated layoff, he came back and LOST to Bobby Joe Young!!

Pryor at 32.............maybe your confusing him with a Prime Pryor.

A drug free Pryor smashes Hatton. No matter how old he is#

Probably even if the fight were made today to be fair

[KostyaTszyuTeam]

You wont get an argument from me whether Pryor is great, because he was..He was a great boxing talent.

You wont get an argument from me that a Skilled pressure fighting brawler beat Tszyu, he did. Tszyu both got beat in his prime once, and quit, as I saw no protest when hos corner pulled him.

Im just saying the reason why he's going to Canastotas Hall Of Fame is because he reigned for a Very long time, 10 years as a world champion, AND THAT IS A GREAT ACHIEVEMENT, and whether you think he's a great fighter, or overated and a very good one, the hall of fame is for great accomplishments. So eveb if you took the beluef he was a touch overrated, very good, but not great, he IS a great fighter by way of the accomplishment ofhis kong reign that puts him right into the top 3 140 fighters alltime.

I believe he was great the Great fighter beating a long list of very good opponents. He quit, he lost once to an opponent in his prime, and he bever beat a great fighter in their prime, that is the flip side. The other side, he's a hall of fame fighter, FOR A REASON

[Violent Demise]

You wont get an argument from me whether Pryor is great, because he was..He was a great boxing talent.

You wont get an argument from me that a Skilled pressure fighting brawler beat Tszyu, he did. Tszyu both got beat in his prime once, and quit, as I saw no protest when hos corner pulled him.

Im just saying the reason why he's going to Canastotas Hall Of Fame is because he reigned for a Very long time, 10 years as a world champion, AND THAT IS A GREAT ACHIEVEMENT, and whether you think he's a great fighter, or overated and a very good one, the hall of fame is for great accomplishments. So eveb if you took the beluef he was a touch overrated, very good, but not great, he IS a great fighter by way of the accomplishment ofhis kong reign that puts him right into the top 3 140 fighters alltime.

I believe he was great the Great fighter beating a long list of very good opponents. He quit, he lost once to an opponent in his prime, and he bever beat a great fighter in their prime, that is the flip side. The other side, he's a hall of fame fighter, FOR A REASON

Tszyu really only ran the 140 division for 4 years. He didn't take control of the division until he knocked out Judah. Before that he was just a title holder. He had no more claim to the top spot than Judah or Mitchell.

[skel1983]

You wont get an argument from me whether Pryor is great, because he was..He was a great boxing talent.

You wont get an argument from me that a Skilled pressure fighting brawler beat Tszyu, he did. Tszyu both got beat in his prime once, and quit, as I saw no protest when hos corner pulled him.

Im just saying the reason why he's going to Canastotas Hall Of Fame is because he reigned for a Very long time, 10 years as a world champion, AND THAT IS A GREAT ACHIEVEMENT, and whether you think he's a great fighter, or overated and a very good one, the hall of fame is for great accomplishments. So eveb if you took the beluef he was a touch overrated, very good, but not great, he IS a great fighter by way of the accomplishment ofhis kong reign that puts him right into the top 3 140 fighters alltime.

I believe he was great the Great fighter beating a long list of very good opponents. He quit, he lost once to an opponent in his prime, and he bever beat a great fighter in their prime, that is the flip side. The other side, he's a hall of fame fighter, FOR A REASON

Tszyu really only ran the 140 division for 4 years. He didn't take control of the division until he knocked out Judah. Before that he was just a title holder. He had no more claim to the top spot than Judah or Mitchell.

Gotta agree with that, in hindseight was can say yes Kosta beats Judah everytiome, but Judah was the big fav at the time 1/4, Judah was seen as the main man in the division as many.

[KostyaTszyuTeam]

Zab Judah was favourite in the U.S. Because the U.S. media never foragve him for losing to Phillips, when he first came to the U.S. media attention. Fought a couple of times in the states before then.

He actually changed his style then to boot, further fuelling the U.S. opinion. After he was beat by Phillips in his Prime as they both went trading blows, je changed to a somewhat cautious fighter. First half of his career before many knew of him in the states, he was a dynamic fast agressive fighter. Thats part of How he lost to Phillips. He just believed he could blow guys away, then he ran into an even bigger puncher than himself, and got caught on the wrong night, in his prime

Yes, he was Undisputed champion for 4.5 years...........before this time he was a belt holder world titlist. The point was, he was still the world champion. I never said he was undisputed world champion for ten years, and I dont any fighter who has been undisputed cha,ion for 10 years.

Many great fighters have Never been Undisputed champion for even oneday. De La Hoya, I dont if Chavez was, Pacquioa hasn't Mayweather hasn't. It just wasnt their priority. I know De La Hoya SHOULD have been, as most thought he beat Trinidad.

My point is world champion 10 years, not Undisputed champion ten..