where would pac be on atg list if....

[Jody Lane]

where would Ivan Calderon be on atg list IF he jumped up to Heavyweight and took a decision against Valuev?

If's don't really mean shit until it happens

honestly we should be judging where he sould be by what he's actually done, and a loss to Mayweather, Cotto, or Mosley wouldn't diminish that one bit, i have Manny ranked in my top 25 ATG list, and anyone who says that's an injust position, (regarding that he should be ranked higher) just look at the competition that he's faced, compared to the likes of Ali, Robinson, Chavez, Hagler, etc. and considering how many GREAT fighters there are, 25 is nothing but a compliment, and speaks volumes of what he's done

i was hoping to get a calm discussiong going on amongst other curious boxing fans. obviously your a bit of an anti pac so please do not ruin this thread.

how is giving my honest opinion ruining the thread? and i'm not anti pac, just cause i don't think he's the greatest fighter to lace up gloves i'm labeled a hater, i have Manny in my top 25, my favorite fighter Morales isn't even in my top 25 ATG, that's gotta say something, you Paclovers need to come to grips with reality, he's a great fighter, he's NOT the greatest boxer of all time, just cause someone says so doesn't mean they hate the dude, get over yourself seriously

Hey El, don't worry about being labelled a hater. I have been called that before, probably because I think Joy Jones Jr is a self righteous cocky ass little overrated bitch. But that doesn't mean I hate him. Wonder where those rumors come from about my attitude

[SweetPea]

Beating Floyd and Mosley would gain Manny a lot of respect, but I don't think you can consider him an all-time PFP great until he stops ducking Mighty Mike Arnaoutis.