Anybody think Pac has lost 5 fights and JMM has only lost 1??

**Jimanuel Boogustus** · 06-04-2009 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by Quinito

Originally Posted by ICB

Originally Posted by miron_lang

Round 1 - Marquez landed 1 good shot. thats 1 shot Pacquiao out gunned him the whole round. Pac landed more. you cant win a round by landing 1 good shot.

Round 11 - another round where PAC can claim.

-- There is no way anybody can prove that JMM won this fight and there is a reason why judges are being paid.

Its called my opinion ? i thought JMM landed the most telling blow of round 1, it was a very cautious round not alot of punches landed. Maybe Manny Pacquiao landed a few more punches but so what ? i don't score fights on just how many punches are landed.

Its also about the effectiveness of the punches and ETC, and JMM clearly landed the most eye catching punch of the round. And the 11th round JMM come forward and was aggressive and took the fight too Manny Pacquiao, JMM was very aggressive in the last 2 rounds which gave him the nod IMO.

Can you prove to me why you think Manny Pacquiao won the fight ? other than using "Thats why the judges are being paid" because thats pretty narrow minded considering judges get it wrong all the time. And its also a cope out because your not explaining yourself.

You scored round 1 for Marquez? Dude you're blind. And stop ignoring the fact that the 3rd round was really a 10-7 round for Pac. Juan held and sat on the ropes just like his brother Rafa (Izzy-Rafa 3 rd.12) after he took some blistering combos from Pac.

Round 3 was a 10-7 round

Please elaborate on this... Im looking for some sort of Rule or Regulation that supports your point.

Not that im disagreeing with you per say, but i just don't see how so..?

**CFH** · 06-04-2009 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Jimboogie

Originally Posted by Quinito

Originally Posted by ICB

Its called my opinion ? i thought JMM landed the most telling blow of round 1, it was a very cautious round not alot of punches landed. Maybe Manny Pacquiao landed a few more punches but so what ? i don't score fights on just how many punches are landed.

Its also about the effectiveness of the punches and ETC, and JMM clearly landed the most eye catching punch of the round. And the 11th round JMM come forward and was aggressive and took the fight too Manny Pacquiao, JMM was very aggressive in the last 2 rounds which gave him the nod IMO.

Can you prove to me why you think Manny Pacquiao won the fight ? other than using "Thats why the judges are being paid" because thats pretty narrow minded considering judges get it wrong all the time. And its also a cope out because your not explaining yourself.

You scored round 1 for Marquez? Dude you're blind. And stop ignoring the fact that the 3rd round was really a 10-7 round for Pac. Juan held and sat on the ropes just like his brother Rafa (Izzy-Rafa 3 rd.12) after he took some blistering combos from Pac.

Round 3 was a 10-7 round

Please elaborate on this... Im looking for some sort of Rule or Regulation that supports your point.

Not that im disagreeing with you per say, but i just don't see how so..?

I'm pretty sure he's referring to the end of the round where after knocking him down Pac staggers Marquez, who stumbles backwards and very brieftly grabs the ropes. It was unclear whether or not Marquez would've gone down without grabbing the ropes, but I really doubt it. It was nothing like Rafa grabbing the ropes in rd. 12 against Vazquez.

**Jimanuel Boogustus** · 06-04-2009 02:14 PM

Okay yeah i figured he was on about that incident but i always overlooked it as a 'nearly'.
But as far as the rules go, does that mean that it should of been scored a knockdown?

**CFH** · 06-04-2009 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Jimboogie

Okay yeah i figured he was on about that incident but i always overlooked it as a 'nearly'.
But as far as the rules go, does that mean that it should of been scored a knockdown?

I believe the rules state that if the ropes are the only thing holding a fighter up then it should be ruled a knockdown. In my opinion, it is not conclusive whether or not the ropes were the only things holding up JMM. Without briefly grabbing them he may have staggered back a few feet but it is impossible to tell if he would've gone down without grabbing them. This is the case for me even after watching the end of the round several times, so it would have been impossible for the ref to make a conclusive call and rule it a knockdown. It's nothing like the Rafa incident he sites because Rafa was badly hurt and it was very clear the ropes were the only thing holding him up.