Anybody think Pac has lost 5 fights and JMM has only lost 1??

[miron_lang]

Heres my scorecard Taeth from ages ago.

1 Marquez
2 Marquez
3 Pacquiao 10-8
4 Pacquiao
5 Marquez
6 Marquez
7 Pacquiao
8 Marquez
9 Pacquiao
10 Pacquiao
11 Marquez
12 Marquez

114-113 JMM

I think the 8th round was borderline 10-8 round for JMM aswell.

And lastly that post i made with all the score's was just to prove your point wrong, about the Mexican/Spanish comment.

Round 1 - Marquez landed 1 good shot. thats 1 shot Pacquiao out gunned him the whole round. Pac landed more. you cant win a round by landing 1 good shot.


Round 11 - another round where PAC can claim.



-- There is no way anybody can prove that JMM won this fight and there is a reason why judges are being paid.

Its called my opinion ? i thought JMM landed the most telling blow of round 1, it was a very cautious round not alot of punches landed. Maybe Manny Pacquiao landed a few more punches but so what ? i don't score fights on just how many punches are landed.

Its also about the effectiveness of the punches and ETC, and JMM clearly landed the most eye catching punch of the round. And the 11th round JMM come forward and was aggressive and took the fight too Manny Pacquiao, JMM was very aggressive in the last 2 rounds which gave him the nod IMO.

Can you prove to me why you think Manny Pacquiao won the fight ? other than using "Thats why the judges are being paid" because thats pretty narrow minded considering judges get it wrong all the time. And its also a cope out because your not explaining yourself.

the 11th is a STRONG round for Pacquiao. Its almost a clear round for him.

You cant prove it, i cant prove it so we go to the official card.

Its your opinion againts my opinion. 115-112 for Gerry Roth because he probably like accurate counters. 115-112 for Duane ford probably because he likes aggression and the harders shots landed. I repeat 8 rounds were unclear so 114-113 either way is good.


But to create a thread about reverting official victories is ridiculous. the scores were justifiable.

[XaduBoxer]

Reverting one official boxing result is a tedious process... Reverting 2 official results in the 2 fights of the same set of boxers is so much of a stretch...

I'm just wondering why Team JMM didn't lodge a formal complaint regarding these alleged "robberies"... Guess Team JMM is just all talk...
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[hardcore_crash]

After watching this fight twice today, IMO Marquez won much clearer than I previously thought.
His punches were much more effective, and he was landing the cleaner punches much more often.
Those two strong punches that Pacquiao landed in the 11 and 3 should not change the outcome of this fight.

[BIG H]

Just reading this interesting old thread

[:::PSL:::]

Check the boxrec

[ICB]

Since this thread im a bit more clued up on JMM. And i think the only fight he has lost, is the one against Floyd Mayweather Jr. Which wasn't at a fair weightclass, this is how i see his close decisions.

Julian Wheeler = Ok it didn't go the distance, but it was close going into the last round, and some people felt Julian Wheeler was DQ'ed too early. But JMM was having a great last round, and was on the verge of stopping Julian Wheeler, and Julian Wheeler did hold on quite a bit. No doubt JMM would of stopped him without all the holding.

Freddie Norwood = JMM won this by few points IMO, even the HBO crew thought he won aswell. It was a messy/horrible fight. But if you pay attention and score it RBR, really taking note i think your find JMM won a clear decision although pretty close. JMM won this fight no doubt in my mind.

Manny Pacquiao 1 = Easy fight to score for me, JMM won 8 rounds to 4. But because of the 4 point round, 113-112 JMM.

Chris John = Had point's taken away when he didn't derserve, a seriously biased ref. And despite all that was against JMM, he still won a clear but close decision.

MAB = A reasonably close fight, if i remember rightly i had JMM winning 115-113. A great technical fight one of my favorites.

Manny Pacquiao 2 = My scoring hasn't changed 7 rounds to 5 for JMM, but because of the 2 point round 114-113 JMM.

[BIG H]

Since this thread im a bit more clued up on JMM. And i think the only fight he has lost, is the one against Floyd Mayweather Jr. Which wasn't at a fair weightclass, this is how i see his close decisions.

Julian Wheeler = Ok it didn't go the distance, but it was close going into the last round, and some people felt Julian Wheeler was DQ'ed too early. But JMM was having a great last round, and was on the verge of stopping Julian Wheeler, and Julian Wheeler did hold on quite a bit. No doubt JMM would of stopped him without all the holding.

Freddie Norwood = JMM won this by few points IMO, even the HBO crew thought he won aswell. It was a messy/horrible fight. But if you pay attention and score it RBR, really taking note i think your find JMM won a clear decision although pretty close. JMM won this fight no doubt in my mind.

Manny Pacquiao 1 = Easy fight to score for me, JMM won 8 rounds to 4. But because of the 4 point round, 113-112 JMM.

Chris John = Had point's taken away when he didn't derserve, a seriously biased ref. And despite all that was against JMM, he still won a clear but close decision.

MAB = A reasonably close fight, if i remember rightly i had JMM winning 115-113. A great technical fight one of my favorites.

Manny Pacquiao 2 = My scoring hasn't changed 7 rounds to 5 for JMM, but because of the 2 point round 114-113 JMM.

If all of that were actually correct (and it may well be) then JMM has to go down as an ATG, and up there with PBF and PAC