Classified information 4 Smashup & the Haye followers

[WelshDevilRob]

Drago, Haye doesn't deserve a shot vs Wladimir...beating Monte Barrett and being an obnoxious loudmouth doesn't = a title shot.

Nicolay Valuev has EARNED his title shot vs Wlad because #1 He has a title #2 He has experience (vs very weak opposition) #3 If Valuev fights Wlad and loses he's relegated to fighting with the REAL heavyweights and if he was to win he earns a match with Vitali...those are both acceptable outcomes.

Ruslan Chagaev has EARNED a shot, #1 he has held a title/holds a title #2 He's unbeaten (vs lesser opposition) and #3 He was done wrong by Don King.

Others deserving of a title shot Alexander Dimitrenko, Eddie Chambers, Cris Arreola...those guys are in the queue waiting for a shot, why should Haye get a chance before those battle tested heavyweights

If you're looking for someone just on short notice, you might get some crap fighters but hell it gives Wlad a chance to play Santa Claus and give out an undeserved title shot that David Haye isn't ready for. If David Haye is truly deserving of a title shot he'll earn one very soon, I would think if Wlad moves forward with the June 20th fight then a David Haye-Cris Arreola/Alex Povetkin elimination bout will be scheduled and I am 100% sure that would be good for boxing regardless of the outcome.

All those guys are surely boring as you like, Haye gets a title shot because he cam make money and he's exciting for the publicity aswell as the fight. Nothing different happening here than what is happening with Marquez getting a shot at Mayweather or hatton getting a shot at Mayweather rather than someone like mosely or clottey or williams getting a much more deserved shot. Too much double standard going on these days i'm sorry.

What ever makes money, flies....... Theres a lot of talk about Haye in this forum lately, has anyone really debated that much about Mr Alexander Povetkin or Mr Ruslan Chagaev. No. I think what Haye is doing is good stuff man. Creates interest and excitement where there wasn't any and generates debate where things were flat. Can't knock the guy really.

Being exciting doesn't mean you deserve a title shot against Vlad. And Haye isn't even the most exciting heavyweight out there. That belongs to Cris Arreola. The most exciting and controversial heavyweight out there.

There has been more talk and criticism about him than David Haye (see - how can a man with big breasts continue to win big heavyweight fights?). He also has fought three or four legit heavyweights.

Cris Arreola v. David Haye at the Staples Center. That's a heayvweight scrap that won't go the distance. Then, if David Haye passes the test, he has more of a claim for a fight with Vlad. Here's saying he won't .

Yet this Great Arreola that you speak of isn't ready for a shot at Wlad. Sounds more cautious than exciting.

Arreola is overweight, slow and easy to hit. His opposition hasn't been fantastic but he is a good prospect.

I fail to see how Brian Minto, Holyfield etc are prepared to take the risk and fight Wlad but Chris isn't ready. It can't be because he needs to get inshape because he hasn't been inshape for over a year. The guy probably couldn't beat Oliver McCall let alone win a World title.

[Rantcatrat]

All those guys are surely boring as you like, Haye gets a title shot because he cam make money and he's exciting for the publicity aswell as the fight. Nothing different happening here than what is happening with Marquez getting a shot at Mayweather or hatton getting a shot at Mayweather rather than someone like mosely or clottey or williams getting a much more deserved shot. Too much double standard going on these days i'm sorry.

What ever makes money, flies....... Theres a lot of talk about Haye in this forum lately, has anyone really debated that much about Mr Alexander Povetkin or Mr Ruslan Chagaev. No. I think what Haye is doing is good stuff man. Creates interest and excitement where there wasn't any and generates debate where things were flat. Can't knock the guy really.

Being exciting doesn't mean you deserve a title shot against Vlad. And Haye isn't even the most exciting heavyweight out there. That belongs to Cris Arreola. The most exciting and controversial heavyweight out there.

There has been more talk and criticism about him than David Haye (see - how can a man with big breasts continue to win big heavyweight fights?). He also has fought three or four legit heavyweights.

Cris Arreola v. David Haye at the Staples Center. That's a heayvweight scrap that won't go the distance. Then, if David Haye passes the test, he has more of a claim for a fight with Vlad. Here's saying he won't .

Yet this Great Arreola that you speak of isn't ready for a shot at Wlad. Sounds more cautious than exciting.

Arreola is overweight, slow and easy to hit. His opposition hasn't been fantastic but he is a good prospect.

I fail to see how Brian Minto, Holyfield etc are prepared to take the risk and fight Wlad but Chris isn't ready. It can't be because he needs to get inshape because he hasn't been inshape for over a year. The guy probably couldn't beat Oliver McCall let alone win a World title.

Don't equate an intelligent thought-out decision, if cautious, with not being exciting. Have you seen him fight? He is a lot more exciting than almost every single heavyweight out there. Watch the Chazz Witherspoon fight and the Travis Walker fight and then tell me if he isn't exciting. Can you name one other heavyweight as exciting as Cris?

When you say slow, do you mean hand speed? Because that definitely isn't true. He may not have the fastest hands on the planet, but for a heavyweight he is relatively quick. He also throws legit combinations.

The reason Cris hasn't taken the fight with Vlad on short notice when other boxers are willing is because Cris actually has the potential to have a legitimate career at heavyweight. Minto knows this may be his only shot. Cris will have a few.

Why does David Haye deserve a title shot? Especially after incessantly beating the hype drum and then pulling out of the fight at the last minute? Now he can get to the back of the line where he belongs. How about fighting a few heavyweights first? The problem for him is he will be beat before he has another chance.