Steve Bunce and David Haye....

[Scrap]

They both Boxed for the same Amatuer Club, think thats the connection in fact I know it is .

[Master]

Buncy should stop kissing Hayes butt and tell him to fight leading heavyweights to better prepare for the Klt brothers,even if he beats Wlad, he then has to face Vitali who will be super pissed and better chin. He is walking into an early retirement. I would much prefer he fought more regularly and against weaker opposition.

[El Kabong]

All I want to know is WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BRITISH TITLE?!?!?! That was all anyone ever cared about with Audley Harrison and with David Haye everyone is like "He needs THE title shot"...COME ON!!!

[Fenster]

All I want to know is WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BRITISH TITLE?!?!?! That was all anyone ever cared about with Audley Harrison and with David Haye everyone is like "He needs THE title shot"...COME ON!!!

Haye has already PROVEN himself world class!!! He was the undisputed, lineal cruiser champ.

When world-class fighters move up a division they don't drop from world-class, right?

In recent times we've seen - Pac, Mayweather, Oscar, Hatton, Hopkins, Calzaghe, Marquez (this could go on forever)... fighters getting title shots moving up straight away. They didn't have to PROVE anything. Their exploits in the lower division was more than enough to prove their worth. Haye is no different.

[El Kabong]

Haye has already PROVEN himself world class!!! He was the undisputed, lineal cruiser champ.

When world-class fighters move up a division they don't drop from world-class, right?

In recent times we've seen - Pac, Mayweather, Oscar, Hatton, Hopkins, Calzaghe, Marquez (this could go on forever)... fighters getting title shots moving up straight away. They didn't have to PROVE anything. Their exploits in the lower division was more than enough to prove their worth. Haye is no different.

World class at cruiserweight isn't world class at heavyweight...Evander Holyfield had to take 6 fights, why shouldn't David Haye Is Haye better than Evander OR does Haye have something to hide

As much as Haye has been hyped up I HAVE to question him...anything that sounds "Too good to be true" probably is and therefore I will be the biggest David Haye cynic on the forum until he proves himself vs top heavyweights.

[AdamGB]

Haye has already PROVEN himself world class!!! He was the undisputed, lineal cruiser champ.

When world-class fighters move up a division they don't drop from world-class, right?

In recent times we've seen - Pac, Mayweather, Oscar, Hatton, Hopkins, Calzaghe, Marquez (this could go on forever)... fighters getting title shots moving up straight away. They didn't have to PROVE anything. Their exploits in the lower division was more than enough to prove their worth. Haye is no different.

World class at cruiserweight isn't world class at heavyweight...Evander Holyfield had to take 6 fights, why shouldn't David Haye

Cos Wlad agreed to fight him!! I'm sure Holyfield would have jumped at the chance if he was given it...

The fact thay Holyfield had to fight his way into the fray whilst Haye was able to more or less talk his way into it tells us more about how weak the division is now compared to when Holyfield moved up than it does about Haye or Holyfield (so does the fact that the very man we are talking about posthumously just fought for a strap)

If Holyfield could of then why wouldn't he? There was too much sugar in the mix and now it's just full of air...

[bzkfn]

Haye has already PROVEN himself world class!!! He was the undisputed, lineal cruiser champ.

When world-class fighters move up a division they don't drop from world-class, right?

In recent times we've seen - Pac, Mayweather, Oscar, Hatton, Hopkins, Calzaghe, Marquez (this could go on forever)... fighters getting title shots moving up straight away. They didn't have to PROVE anything. Their exploits in the lower division was more than enough to prove their worth. Haye is no different.

World class at cruiserweight isn't world class at heavyweight...Evander Holyfield had to take 6 fights, why shouldn't David Haye Is Haye better than Evander OR does Haye have something to hide

As much as Haye has been hyped up I HAVE to question him...anything that sounds "Too good to be true" probably is and therefore I will be the biggest David Haye cynic on the forum until he proves himself vs top heavyweights.

World Class at Cruiserweight isn't world class at Heavyweight?? Had this argument before, but have you seen the Heavyweight division? Seriously, people need to stop looking at the Heavyweight division like it is 15-20 years ago.

[El Kabong]

bzkfn, it doesn't matter how weak everyone thinks the heavyweight division is the TRUTH about cruiserweight is that the only reason that division exsists is because there are a lot of guys who are too big for 175, too small for heavyweight, or not talented enough to make it at heavyweight. Since the start of the cruiserweight division in 1979 how many CRUISERWEIGHTS made big waves in heavyweight boxing?

Evander Holyfield, James Toney, Vassily Jirov(that's a stretch), Alfred "Ice" Cole? I only rate Holyfield and MAYBE Toney out of that group

I mean let's be honest it's not really been the greatest of divisions

Light Heavyweights moving up to heavyweight have done better: Michael Spinks, Roy Jones Jr., Bob Foster, Michael Moorer.

So this whole "World Class Cruiserweight" means less than nothing to me.

[AdamGB]

All I want to know is WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BRITISH TITLE?!?!?! That was all anyone ever cared about with Audley Harrison and with David Haye everyone is like "He needs THE title shot"...COME ON!!!

The only reason people talked about that regarding Audley is because we were sick of him fighting fat polish binmen who belong in the cruiser weight division for years , talking about becoming undispute champ and by passing the likes of Williams etc because he didn't need to fight them... then toiling in mediocre obscurity for years.

Said it before and I'll say it again... who knows what would have happened if Wlad hadn't gave him the fight as soon as Haye asked for it. Who knows what Haye would be doing in the division right now... (I'm sure VD thinks he does... )

It's not like fighters callling out 'the man' is a me thing... look at Antonio Margarito... practicly stalked Floyd. If Floyd had agreed to fight Margarito the second he asked for it then it would have been a similar situation...

100s of fighters call out fights before they've properly worked their way to them... the difference is Wlad accepted when others wouldn't have. Can't exactly knock Haye for it.

[JazMerkin]

They both Boxed for the same Amatuer Club, think thats the connection in fact I know it is .

Yeah, they both come out of Fitzroy Lodge, which is where I train, and are pally because Mick Carney who's in charge has been putting Bunce onto the promising kids since Buncey got into journalism. So Bunce has probably known David Haye since he was about 13 or 14.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

They both Boxed for the same Amatuer Club, think thats the connection in fact I know it is .

Yeah, they both come out of Fitzroy Lodge, which is where I train, and are pally because Mick Carney who's in charge has been putting Bunce onto the promising kids since Buncey got into journalism. So Bunce has probably known David Haye since he was about 13 or 14.

fair enough but maybe he should declare an interest before sounding like an ass-kissing tit.

[Dark Lord Al]

Bunce is a complete twat , and i think there is no doubt , he wants Haye to countersink his turds.

For the record i think Haye is a breath of fresh air to the British HW's , for one think he is exciting , he is in top condition , and he is brash , not sur ehe beats Wlad but i will be watching for sure , if the fight happens.