What does the future hold for Arthur Abraham?

[bzkfn]

Him and Pavlik are struggling to make 160 now. They'll fight late this year or early next year for their middleweight belts then both move up.

I doubt it. Honestly, I'm doubting Pavlik's team have the balls to put him in there with Abraham after what happened with Hopkins. This fight should have happened already, enough with the terrible defences.

[Kirkland Laing]

Him and Pavlik are struggling to make 160 now. They'll fight late this year or early next year for their middleweight belts then both move up.

I doubt it. Honestly, I'm doubting Pavlik's team have the balls to put him in there with Abraham after what happened with Hopkins. This fight should have happened already, enough with the terrible defences.

It's easily the biggest money fight for him at 160 so he'll take the risk. If he loses he's moving up to 168 anyway, he can blame it on being tight at the weight, the potential of a big money 168 rematch if the first fight was good, etc. So I'm pretty sure he'll take it.

Arum is just bringing him and Cotto back slowly after their first losses. No massive fights for a while, just ease them back into winning ways.

[HattonTheHammer]

its hard to tell. Once we actually see arthur come away from his safetyzone of germany and fight a genuine contender its gonna be hard to actually know how good abraham is.

Ive got this inkling that a pavlik/williams even wright would be too big a step for him but its hard to tell

[JohnnyKickAss]

Abrahams camp negotiated with Sturms and Pavliks team,but both declined so far...at least that what I read...I think money and renownedness are the reasons that Abraham has trouble getting a big name-fight in the US...In Germany the only big fight still to happen for AA is against Sturm,but apperantly Sturm is scared off AA or his camp doesn't want to risk a loss...I don't know...

[bzkfn]

its hard to tell. Once we actually see arthur come away from his safetyzone of germany and fight a genuine contender its gonna be hard to actually know how good abraham is.

Ive got this inkling that a pavlik/williams even wright would be too big a step for him but its hard to tell

I think Abraham would KO Pavlik. His defence is too tight and Kelly is too one dimensional. Kelly will probably start better before Abraham takes over and KO's him around the 8th. I think Williams would totally outbox Pavlik as well. Pavlik has a better chance with Wright and Sturm. Wright, simply because of age and inactivity, and Sturm, because I think Kelly could wear him down.

[Majesty]

I was hoping to see more of Abraham on American TV after he knocked out Miranda, he should have gotten a Showtime contract after that fight

[El Kabong]

It would be nice if Arthur didn't follow the career paths of Svenn Ottke and Daruisz Michalczewski....he needs big time fights and ON TV in America.

He had the perfect chance to be well loved after the Miranda fight, he could have fought Jermain Taylor in America and more than likely beat him (considering he lasted out vs Miranda with a broken jaw and in the championship rounds JT is gased out)...but he has been seemingly in hiding since those big wins over Edison Miranda

[Rantcatrat]

its hard to tell. Once we actually see arthur come away from his safetyzone of germany and fight a genuine contender its gonna be hard to actually know how good abraham is.

Ive got this inkling that a pavlik/williams even wright would be too big a step for him but its hard to tell

I think Abraham would KO Pavlik. His defence is too tight and Kelly is too one dimensional. Kelly will probably start better before Abraham takes over and KO's him around the 8th. I think Williams would totally outbox Pavlik as well. Pavlik has a better chance with Wright and Sturm. Wright, simply because of age and inactivity, and Sturm, because I think Kelly could wear him down.

When did the thread become about trashing Pavlik?

That Abraham's defense is too tight for Kelly is a respectable position. No doubt that AA has great defense and if he fought Pavlik and won, it would likely be because of his defensive prowess.

However, correct me if I'm wrong, but with the defense comes the tendency for AA to take time off in rounds. Not that the punches thrown at him during such lulls always land, but they add up. Against a volume puncher, like Pavlik to an extent, that could be a problem. Moreover, Pavlik has thudding power (86.11%). A lot of power and a lot of punches may spell trouble for AA.

Pavlik also has a considerable height/reach advantage over AA: 6'2 1/2 versus 5'10 and 75" reach versus 72". Pavlik fights tall too. Lastly, from all reports, AA didn't look good in his last fight. Of course we'll get another look at him against another safe opponent in Mahir Oral (who?). Hopefully, he looks better in that fight.

Upon first glance, and we have at least six months to ponder the outcome, this fight may come down to how Pavlik handles AA's power. If he handles it, he should win on points because he throws too many punches.

That said, there aren't too many other options for AA other than Pavlik at 160. I'd like to see Mundine fight AA, but that isn't happening, and Sturm is afraid of him.

[bzkfn]

I was hoping to see more of Abraham on American TV after he knocked out Miranda, he should have gotten a Showtime contract after that fight

He was supposed to be fighting Lorenzo in America (the possibility was explored of fighting on the Pavlik-Mora undercard but the idea was quickly cast aside). Since they couldn't come to terms, they decided to wait for it to go to purse bid and take a voluntary in Germany instead.

When did the thread become about trashing Pavlik?

That Abraham's defense is too tight for Kelly is a respectable position. No doubt that AA has great defense and if he fought Pavlik and won, it would likely be because of his defensive prowess.

However, correct me if I'm wrong, but with the defense comes the tendency for AA to take time off in rounds. Not that the punches thrown at him during such lulls always land, but they add up. Against a volume puncher, like Pavlik to an extent, that could be a problem. Moreover, Pavlik has thudding power (86.11%). A lot of power and a lot of punches may spell trouble for AA.

Pavlik also has a considerable height/reach advantage over AA: 6'2 1/2 versus 5'10 and 75" reach versus 72". Pavlik fights tall too. Lastly, from all reports, AA didn't look good in his last fight. Of course we'll get another look at him against another safe opponent in Mahir Oral (who?). Hopefully, he looks better in that fight.

Upon first glance, and we have at least six months to ponder the outcome, this fight may come down to how Pavlik handles AA's power. If he handles it, he should win on points because he throws too many punches.

That said, there aren't too many other options for AA other than Pavlik at 160. I'd like to see Mundine fight AA, but that isn't happening, and Sturm is afraid of him.

I wasn't attempting to trash Pavlik, its just his mandatories have been against opposition not in his class, and I wasn't impressed with the idea of a defence against a power puff puncher like Mora. I used to believe Pavlik would beat Abraham, but as time has passed I've started to wonder if Pavlik was overrated and I think Abraham has too much for him. I think Arum is scared to put Kelly in with Arthur, he even tried to justify a John Duddy defence instead.

[Rantcatrat]

I was hoping to see more of Abraham on American TV after he knocked out Miranda, he should have gotten a Showtime contract after that fight

He was supposed to be fighting Lorenzo in America (the possibility was explored of fighting on the Pavlik-Mora undercard but the idea was quickly cast aside). Since they couldn't come to terms, they decided to wait for it to go to purse bid and take a voluntary in Germany instead.

When did the thread become about trashing Pavlik?

That Abraham's defense is too tight for Kelly is a respectable position. No doubt that AA has great defense and if he fought Pavlik and won, it would likely be because of his defensive prowess.

However, correct me if I'm wrong, but with the defense comes the tendency for AA to take time off in rounds. Not that the punches thrown at him during such lulls always land, but they add up. Against a volume puncher, like Pavlik to an extent, that could be a problem. Moreover, Pavlik has thudding power (86.11%). A lot of power and a lot of punches may spell trouble for AA.

Pavlik also has a considerable height/reach advantage over AA: 6'2 1/2 versus 5'10 and 75" reach versus 72". Pavlik fights tall too. Lastly, from all reports, AA didn't look good in his last fight. Of course we'll get another look at him against another safe opponent in Mahir Oral (who?). Hopefully, he looks better in that fight.

Upon first glance, and we have at least six months to ponder the outcome, this fight may come down to how Pavlik handles AA's power. If he handles it, he should win on points because he throws too many punches.

That said, there aren't too many other options for AA other than Pavlik at 160. I'd like to see Mundine fight AA, but that isn't happening, and Sturm is afraid of him.

I wasn't attempting to trash Pavlik, its just his mandatories have been against opposition not in his class, and I wasn't impressed with the idea of a defence against a power puff puncher like Mora. I used to believe Pavlik would beat Abraham, but as time has passed I've started to wonder if Pavlik was overrated and I think Abraham has too much for him. I think Arum is scared to put Kelly in with Arthur, he even tried to justify a John Duddy defence instead.

Sure. But, have you seen AA's mandatories? Lujuan Simon, Oral? Pavlik has fought better competition than AA, earlier than AA. I'm not sold on who wins yet, but I'm leaning toward Pavlik because the size disparity.

[Rantcatrat]

Him and Pavlik are struggling to make 160 now. They'll fight late this year or early next year for their middleweight belts then both move up.

I doubt it. Honestly, I'm doubting Pavlik's team have the balls to put him in there with Abraham after what happened with Hopkins. This fight should have happened already, enough with the terrible defences.

It's easily the biggest money fight for him at 160 so he'll take the risk. If he loses he's moving up to 168 anyway, he can blame it on being tight at the weight, the potential of a big money 168 rematch if the first fight was good, etc. So I'm pretty sure he'll take it.

Arum is just bringing him and Cotto back slowly after their first losses. No massive fights for a while, just ease them back into winning ways.

There has been talk of Pavlik v. Sturm - Vindy.com Local News Youngstown, Warren, Columbiana Ohio - news, sports and information - Pavlik may fight Sturm

Pavlik v. Abraham would be a great middleweight fight. Possibly the best since when? But, Pavlik v. Sturm wouldn't be too bad either.

[Kirkland Laing]

I doubt it. Honestly, I'm doubting Pavlik's team have the balls to put him in there with Abraham after what happened with Hopkins. This fight should have happened already, enough with the terrible defences.

It's easily the biggest money fight for him at 160 so he'll take the risk. If he loses he's moving up to 168 anyway, he can blame it on being tight at the weight, the potential of a big money 168 rematch if the first fight was good, etc. So I'm pretty sure he'll take it.

Arum is just bringing him and Cotto back slowly after their first losses. No massive fights for a while, just ease them back into winning ways.

There has been talk of Pavlik v. Sturm - Vindy.com Local News Youngstown, Warren, Columbiana Ohio - news, sports and information - Pavlik may fight Sturm

Pavlik v. Abraham would be a great middleweight fight. Possibly the best since when? But, Pavlik v. Sturm wouldn't be too bad either.

There was a thread a while ago about how Strum's promoter, Universum, don't let their fighters near any kind of real test, just keep them fighting nobodies and making money off them. There was some article linked in the thread claiming they were only making noise about fighting Pavlik to deflect from the fact that they were ducking Abraham's offer of a fight in Germany. I think Sturm will stay in Germany fighting tomato cans while Abraham goes for Pavlik and then big fights at 168. I hope at least one of them comes to America for some big fights anyway.

[Rantcatrat]

Him and Pavlik are struggling to make 160 now. They'll fight late this year or early next year for their middleweight belts then both move up.

I doubt it. Honestly, I'm doubting Pavlik's team have the balls to put him in there with Abraham after what happened with Hopkins. This fight should have happened already, enough with the terrible defences.

I agree. Lujuan Simon, Mahir Oral...