Haye v Arreola anybody?

[Violent Demise]

Gaye

This is what psychologists term "projection."

Projection is somebody having his ass tatted with a fighters picture. Taking that fighters name as his username. And telling everybody that he knows that fighter and that he comes over and drinks tea with him. Ain't that right "Kirkland". LOL

[Kirkland Laing]

Gaye

This is what psychologists term "projection."

Projection is somebody having his ass tatted with a fighters picture. Taking that fighters name as his username. And telling everybody that he knows that fighter and that he comes over and drinks tea with him. Ain't that right "Kirkland". LOL

I'm not sure what you're talking about but you appear to be the forum expert on projection so I'll bow to your greater knowledge.

[El Kabong]

I'm not sure what you're talking about but you appear to be the forum expert on projection so I'll bow to your greater knowledge.

....says the poster who claims to be infallible

[Mr140]

How is it that a Cw weight champion who stuggled and even lost in his division going to clean of the Heavyweight division i just do get it. Say what you want about Wlad but the heayweight division is stronger then the CW yet again not saying to much because CW is a hand me down.

[El Kabong]

It's a British Delusion of Grandure....they want to be in on the "ground floor" so to speak for the next British Heavyweight champion, I do recall they had that chance with Lennox Lewis but since he beat poor Frank Bruno the hero of Britan, the fans only begrudeonly accepted him until he became THE Champ and then of course the flag of England blew with the Lennox Lewis breeze.

[RozzySean]

David Haye was successful at CW because he is an incredible athlete and at the time he unified the division, he was up against weak or old competition. Mormeck in his prime would have battered Haye. Enzo was overhyped and his last loss proved who he is.

Haye has speed and he has at least some power in both hands, at least at CW. That's really about it. The Bonin and Barrett fights show us nothing about his punching power at HW. Bonin sucks and Barrett is the same size as him and washed up. Talk about 'domestic level' talent? What the heck are Bonin, Barrett, and Enzo? The only "world class" guy Haye ever beat was a washed up Mormeck. To borrow from Fenster - Fact.

There is no evidence to suggest he can bang with the big boys. Comparing him to the smaller HW's, He doesn't have much skill or defense like Eddie Chambers, and he doesn't have the workrate and conditioning of Povetkin. Against a fighter with a top level jab (like Wlad), he will have no way to reach him. He doesn't use his jab to set anything up. He either attacks blindly or waits for the other guy to make a mistake. If he were a baseball player, I'd call him a mistake hitter. If the pitcher makes his pitch, he can't do anything, but he can crush a hanging curve ball. The most of the guys he's been in with hang plenty of curve balls for him.

Arreola has been fighting legit HW's his entire career. Yes, he has turned up disgracefully fat in a few fights. He's also turned up in decent shape for his biggest step ups, aside from McCline. I suspect he may have left some weight on for the McCline fight because McCline is so big. Arreola crushed McCline. Granted, he was shot, but he was no more shot than Barrett, AND he is bigger and better than money Barrett was on his best day.

Cristobal has his weaknesses, too, and I'm not claiming that he is the dominant HW, but it is very naive to think Haye would not have his hands full with Arreola. Maybe Haye wins this fight, but this would be VERY dangerous fight for him. If I were Arreola, I would jump at the chance to fight David Haye. If he trained properly can came in under 240, he would blast out Haye in pretty short order. If he came in fat, Haye would have a chance.

[El Kabong]

That is a very solid, unbiased view of David Haye Rozzy.

I think a veteran fighter would be more difficult for Haye because of the flaws in his games you have mentioned. I think if James Toney had anything left he'd be very difficult for Haye to beat. Good defense, good jabs, and good chins are all going to be big roadblocks for Haye at heavyweight.

[killersheep]

David Haye was successful at CW because he is an incredible athlete and at the time he unified the division, he was up against weak or old competition. Mormeck in his prime would have battered Haye. Enzo was overhyped and his last loss proved who he is.

Haye has speed and he has at least some power in both hands, at least at CW. That's really about it. The Bonin and Barrett fights show us nothing about his punching power at HW. Bonin sucks and Barrett is the same size as him and washed up. Talk about 'domestic level' talent? What the heck are Bonin, Barrett, and Enzo? The only "world class" guy Haye ever beat was a washed up Mormeck. To borrow from Fenster - Fact.

There is no evidence to suggest he can bang with the big boys. Comparing him to the smaller HW's, He doesn't have much skill or defense like Eddie Chambers, and he doesn't have the workrate and conditioning of Povetkin. Against a fighter with a top level jab (like Wlad), he will have no way to reach him. He doesn't use his jab to set anything up. He either attacks blindly or waits for the other guy to make a mistake. If he were a baseball player, I'd call him a mistake hitter. If the pitcher makes his pitch, he can't do anything, but he can crush a hanging curve ball. The most of the guys he's been in with hang plenty of curve balls for him.

Arreola has been fighting legit HW's his entire career. Yes, he has turned up disgracefully fat in a few fights. He's also turned up in decent shape for his biggest step ups, aside from McCline. I suspect he may have left some weight on for the McCline fight because McCline is so big. Arreola crushed McCline. Granted, he was shot, but he was no more shot than Barrett, AND he is bigger and better than money Barrett was on his best day.

Cristobal has his weaknesses, too, and I'm not claiming that he is the dominant HW, but it is very naive to think Haye would not have his hands full with Arreola. Maybe Haye wins this fight, but this would be VERY dangerous fight for him. If I were Arreola, I would jump at the chance to fight David Haye. If he trained properly can came in under 240, he would blast out Haye in pretty short order. If he came in fat, Haye would have a chance.

So you're saying Haye's chances against The Nightmare depend on if he has a "B-cup" or "C-cup".

I agree with most of what you are saying, the one thing I disagree with is Arreola being in a position to blow out Haye. Arreola tends to take shots to give some back, that could be a fatal flaw against Haye, plus Haye does have relatively quick hands. I'd back Arreola, but this fight needs to happen fireworks for 1-3 rounds before it ends brutally either way.

[Kirkland Laing]

I'm not sure what you're talking about but you appear to be the forum expert on projection so I'll bow to your greater knowledge.

....says the poster who claims to be infallible

My Infallibility doesn't cover boxing, something I'm frequently wrong about.



But I'm not wrong about the bottler Klitschko.

[CFH]

I would love to see this fight, it would be a war and it potentially could do great things for the HW division. Whoever came out on top would be riding a wave of hype into a Klitschko fight.

I have no idea who would win, both are flawed fighters with serious power.

[Violent Demise]

I'm not sure what you're talking about but you appear to be the forum expert on projection so I'll bow to your greater knowledge.

....says the poster who claims to be infallible

My Infallibility doesn't cover boxing, something I'm frequently wrong about.



But I'm not wrong about the bottler Klitschko.

Stop flattering yourself. Frequently? Come on now. Enough with the lies. Replace frequently with damn near all the time and now you speaking the truth

[Kirkland Laing]

....says the poster who claims to be infallible

My Infallibility doesn't cover boxing, something I'm frequently wrong about.



But I'm not wrong about the bottler Klitschko.

Stop flattering yourself. Frequently? Come on now. Enough with the lies. Replace frequently with damn near all the time and now you speaking the truth

I'm frequently right too.

[El Kabong]

My Infallibility doesn't cover boxing, something I'm frequently wrong about.



But I'm not wrong about the bottler Klitschko.

But you just said you are frequently wrong and that statement about Wlad "bottling it" proves that you know jack about boxing.

Why don't you try explaining how Obama's economic policies have helped the US?

[Kirkland Laing]

My Infallibility doesn't cover boxing, something I'm frequently wrong about.



But I'm not wrong about the bottler Klitschko.

But you just said you are frequently wrong and that statement about Wlad "bottling it" proves that you know jack about boxing.

Why don't you try explaining how Obama's economic policies have helped the US?

He is a bottler. He bottled a real challenge from Haye and is now fighting a disease-ridden midget in front of by far the biggest crowd he's ever "fought" in front of, people who paid to see a real fight but now have to make do with yet another garbage Klitscko fight.

[El Kabong]

When did you sign up to fight Wladimir?