How credible is Ring Magazine and it's ratings?

[DaxxKahn]

Well The Ring Champions are as follows:

Heavyweight: the winner of Wladimir Klitschko (IBF, WBO) vs Ruslan Chagaev (WBA)

Light Heavyweight: Joe Calzaghe/VACANT


You guys have issues with any of those

Wlad or Chagaev also have to beat Vitali before they can claim the Championship.

Erdei may not be able to clean Calzaghe's boots, but he is champion in my eyes, bacause of being the man who beat the man etc, who won the Hill/Maske/Michalczweski fights.

Though I believe Vitaly would beat either of them fact is he has only been back for 2 fights, Wlad has been the dominate HW of the division like him or not he is the man to beat

[holmcall]

Great question. I do monthly ranking for another venue and it's a grueling job (but I love doing it). However, I benchmark against a number of sources including Fightnews.com, WBO, IBF, WBA, WBC, and Ring. I also use what I see on Saddo and my own reserach.

My bottom line is that Ring Magazine is not one of the better ones to bench mark against. I like Fightnews probably the best plus I depend on my own reserach when it comes to the lighter weights. I follow, South Korea, Japan Aand Thailand as closley as anyone I know. Most of the rankers are guessing when it comes to the real small guys and that's wrong.

Here is an example of my Flyweight Rankins for June. They will change on July 1:

Flyweight (112 lbs)

1. Nonito Donaire
2. Denkaosan Kaowichit
3. Daisuke Naito
4. Omar Narváez
5. Koki Kameda
6. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
7. Omar Andres Narvaez
8. Brahim Asloum
9. Luis Concepcion
10. Julio Cesar Miranda
11. Ponomrunglek Kratingdaeng
12. Bernard Inom
13. Takahisa Masuda
14. Moruti Mthalane
15. Omar Salado

[holmcall]

BTW, Here is the Ring's latest ranking re Flyweights:

CHAMPION: Vacant


1. Nonito Donaire
2. Daisuke Naito
3. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
4. Denkaosan Kaovichit
5. Omar Narvaez
6. Takefumi Sakata
7. Koki Kameda
8. Moruti Mthalane
9. Julio Cesar Miranda
10. Bernard Inom

[holmcall]

The Ring Rating Panel
Mark Abrams
Carlos Arias
Eric Armit
Bill Calogero
Nick Charles
Brian Doogan
Coyote Duran
J. Michael Falgoust
Steve Farhood
Doug Fischer
Margaret Goodman, M.D.
Lee Groves
Jack Hirsch
Michael Hirsley
Keith Idec
Carlos Irusta
Ted Lerner
Marc Lichtenfeld
Jessi Losado
Scott Mallon
Rich Marotta
David Mayo
Barry McGuigan
Marty Mulcahey
Bernard Osuna
Vittorio Parisi
Matt Richardson
Cliff Rold
Michael Rosenthal
Rick Scharmberg
Don Steinberg
Joe Tessitore
Paul Upham
Claude Vesque
Calvin Watkins
John Whistler
Phil Woolever
Kurt Wolfheimer

[Spicoli]

The Ring Rating Panel
Mark Abrams
Carlos Arias
Eric Armit
Bill Calogero
Nick Charles
Brian Doogan
Coyote Duran
J. Michael Falgoust
Steve Farhood
Doug Fischer
Margaret Goodman, M.D.
Lee Groves
Jack Hirsch
Michael Hirsley
Keith Idec
Carlos Irusta
Ted Lerner
Marc Lichtenfeld
Jessi Losado
Scott Mallon
Rich Marotta
David Mayo
Barry McGuigan
Marty Mulcahey
Bernard Osuna
Vittorio Parisi
Matt Richardson
Cliff Rold
Michael Rosenthal
Rick Scharmberg
Don Steinberg
Joe Tessitore
Paul Upham
Claude Vesque
Calvin Watkins
John Whistler
Phil Woolever
Kurt Wolfheimer

Wow.Never knew that.Too many chefs in the kitchen right there.

Nick Charles Who owes him money . All ranking should be scrutinized.I put them right up there but what is that saying exactly?Not enthused with the empire of GBP owning either.Saraceno (?) use to have some pretty solid rankings in USA Today.

[holmcall]

It's a very politically correct list, but not necessarily the best list.

[Galaxy]

The Ring Ratings are the best & most unbaised around! Although I don't agree with everyones rating they are pretty fair unlike the alphabet boys. The Ring panel is just there to get a broader view on issue (like Margarito/ Mosley being for the championship) but at the end of the day the editors have the final say on the rankings!

Not everyone is going to agree with everyones ratings because a lot of it comes down to opinion.

In the original post it asks why Williams & others are not rated in the P4P? The P4P is just a mythical list & no one will every agree on one set list as its too objective but the Rings divisional ratings are based on achievement in that weight division.

Some people may weight Donaire's win over Darchinyan, followed by Maldonaldo & then his blowout of the highly respected prospect Martinez as more important than Williams win over an inactive middle aged Wright, a Phillips on the slide, plus his loss to Quintana (although revenged in style)

I question why Homcall would say the Ring is not one of the better ones to benchmark against, but says he likes Fightnews? They are very similar

Also Sakata is nowhere to be found in his Flyweight rankings! Sure he lost but it was to his supposed #2 rated guy (that surely doesn't push him out of the top 15 does it? Not when you've got Takashi Masuda ranked at 13. Luis Concepcion seems an excellent prospect but his biggest win was over a guy who did his best work at strawweight about 6 years ago.

See what I mean its all opinion based!!!

[XaduBoxer]

Great question. I do monthly ranking for another venue and it's a grueling job (but I love doing it). However, I benchmark against a number of sources including Fightnews.com, WBO, IBF, WBA, WBC, and Ring. I also use what I see on Saddo and my own reserach.

My bottom line is that Ring Magazine is not one of the better ones to bench mark against. I like Fightnews probably the best plus I depend on my own reserach when it comes to the lighter weights. I follow, South Korea, Japan Aand Thailand as closley as anyone I know. Most of the rankers are guessing when it comes to the real small guys and that's wrong.

Here is an example of my Flyweight Rankins for June. They will change on July 1:

Flyweight (112 lbs)

1. Nonito Donaire
2. Denkaosan Kaowichit
3. Daisuke Naito
4. Omar Narváez
5. Koki Kameda
6. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
7. Omar Andres Narvaez
8. Brahim Asloum
9. Luis Concepcion
10. Julio Cesar Miranda
11. Ponomrunglek Kratingdaeng
12. Bernard Inom
13. Takahisa Masuda
14. Moruti Mthalane
15. Omar Salado

Your list looks good... Appreciate the hardwork and headaches you had in putting such credible ranking...

BTW, I'm also a fan of FightNews rankings...
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[holmcall]

And I greatly appreciate your comment!

[Mr140]

Well the ring ratings are what they are and that is jst like all the rest.

[Galaxy]

My opinion is divisional rankings should be based on what a fighter has done in that division! Montiel although a great fighter has not really achieved much at 118 yet. On a pound 4 pound basis I would definitely have him above guys like Moreno & Hasegawa. But I think it is unfair to have him above these guys who have achieved much more & fought for a longer time at that weight.

I'm not criticizing your ratings Holmcall, just wondering why you don't like The Rings which every divisional rating is based on work done at that weight. Whereas I see Fightnews has Montiel at #1 at 118 when seriously what has achieved there? I know he has the potentil to but until he proves it he doesn't necessarily deserve it imo.

I don't see a difference between a top 10 or top 15 or top 20. Most guys usually have a few guys just outside the top 10 & as you said from there its just subjective.

I agree that knowledgable posters may know just as much as the guys from The Ring, but does that make there rankings any worse than yours or mine?

Imo The Rings divisional rankings are usually pretty spot on, a few of us on here do The SaddoBoxing Official Ratings & its fun, a lot of the decisions are made by votes from the division managers, which imo is the fairest way rather than just having one guy calling the shots...

[holmcall]

Like I said, boxing is a subjective business. I will say one thing that is dead on, however, and that's when you make a list of any kind (P4P, Rankings, 10 most exciting, etc), you are going to be taken apart. No one can ever agree on a list. The best you can expect a few props.

Peace.