Lets get something straight!

[JazMerkin]

I'd prefer it just be 147 even though Pacquaio would probably weigh no more than 142 or so just because making it a catchweight gives a built in excuse for people that want to whine if Manny wins.

I personally don't think 145 is ridiculous as Cotto said from the beginning that he would fight Manny but at no lower than 145. But still I'd rather just see it be a 147 fight, then it will be just that Cotto was shot, not shot and weight drained. Now who's whining? Me, that's who.

If he beat Cotto at 147, I would give him complete credit. I've never thought Cotto was as good as many cracked him up to be, and for me whenever in with elite opposition he has either got beaten or left it too close for comfort. However, its well-known that his lifestyle out of the ring isn't always the best & I think pushing him even a couple of pounds could make the difference in how effective he is as a fighter. If Pacquiao beats him at 147 (which I think he can do) I can't see how anyone could complain (although some probably will).

[generalbulldog]

I'd prefer it just be 147 even though Pacquaio would probably weigh no more than 142 or so just because making it a catchweight gives a built in excuse for people that want to whine if Manny wins.

I personally don't think 145 is ridiculous as Cotto said from the beginning that he would fight Manny but at no lower than 145. But still I'd rather just see it be a 147 fight, then it will be just that Cotto was shot, not shot and weight drained. Now who's whining? Me, that's who.

If he beat Cotto at 147, I would give him complete credit. I've never thought Cotto was as good as many cracked him up to be, and for me whenever in with elite opposition he has either got beaten or left it too close for comfort. However, its well-known that his lifestyle out of the ring isn't always the best & I think pushing him even a couple of pounds could make the difference in how effective he is as a fighter. If Pacquiao beats him at 147 (which I think he can do) I can't see how anyone could complain (although some probably will).

They will say Cotto was not the same after Margarito, just like how Hatton fans have said Hatton was close to being shot after Kostya.

[Taeth]

Are people not aware of weight range a title can be fought for? for example: the welterweight title (not the junior welterweight title) can be on the line between the weighs of 141 - 147! Fighters usually cut weigh on point to the maximum limit, in welterweights they prefer to weigh at 147 but weight down to 141 is acceptable. Fighters go for the maximum limit in hope for advantage, rarely fighters will try to weigh less than the maximum limit because of the common belief the heavier you are the stronger you are.

What is all the fuss about pacs catchweight deal? for mosley or cotto? It would be pac first catchweight fight and its not like his a real welterweight. He has fought onces at 135, 140, 147 and it aint like his recent fight was at 147. if he had grown to 147 then a catchweigh wouldnt make sense. But this guy has NOT and cotto or mosley has! I think the catchweight deal is to make the fight more equal and its insane how cotto is an underdog against pac?

Seriously, a year ago anybody that thought pac could fight cotto got laughed at. Now it seems like people are afraid to see pac fight cotto because they know his capable of winning another title from a real champ.

The catchweight deal is basically asking both fighters not to max out on the weight limit. People are saying its unfair to pacs oppenent he has to ask for a catchweight seriously unfair to pacs bigger oppenent!? Maxing out the weight limit is plain as day reaching for advantage. A catchweight is a fair deal between both fighters. Respect it people

so why go looking for them? Esp. when there are rumours about those particular fighter working real hard to hit the maximum weight, unless you think you are trying to catch a soft title/payday.

If boxers come in to these fights light then we expect them to be looking to gain a speed advantage.

People are picking Pac over Cotto (but not Mosely) based on their last fights repectively.

Pac took out a chin up no plan Hatton, Mosely looked reborn against a static Margarito, Cotto had the toughest fight of the three, not because he is the worst of the bunch but because the man opposite him was good, plenty of people picked Berto to win.

A catchweight is fair if both fighters can comfortably make that weight.


It's bad enough they split the orignal weight divisions, now the current crop isn't good enough (for some) they want to split it up even more?

Wow, first of all neither MOsley nor Cotto have significant troubles making 147 hence why Cotto came in at 146 for this last fight. Second Hatton is ranked way higher than Clottey p4p, so was Margarito. And Margarito beat CLottey so I don't know how your logic about COtto facing the best opponent fits, maybe the hardest opponent for his style, but even then I think Hatton was the hardest opponent stylewise on paper for Pacquiao, but great fighters find a way to adapt, if Pacquiao tried to fight Hatton like he used to, he would have gotten mauled.

[JazMerkin]

Are people not aware of weight range a title can be fought for? for example: the welterweight title (not the junior welterweight title) can be on the line between the weighs of 141 - 147! Fighters usually cut weigh on point to the maximum limit, in welterweights they prefer to weigh at 147 but weight down to 141 is acceptable. Fighters go for the maximum limit in hope for advantage, rarely fighters will try to weigh less than the maximum limit because of the common belief the heavier you are the stronger you are.

What is all the fuss about pacs catchweight deal? for mosley or cotto? It would be pac first catchweight fight and its not like his a real welterweight. He has fought onces at 135, 140, 147 and it aint like his recent fight was at 147. if he had grown to 147 then a catchweigh wouldnt make sense. But this guy has NOT and cotto or mosley has! I think the catchweight deal is to make the fight more equal and its insane how cotto is an underdog against pac?

Seriously, a year ago anybody that thought pac could fight cotto got laughed at. Now it seems like people are afraid to see pac fight cotto because they know his capable of winning another title from a real champ.

The catchweight deal is basically asking both fighters not to max out on the weight limit. People are saying its unfair to pacs oppenent he has to ask for a catchweight seriously unfair to pacs bigger oppenent!? Maxing out the weight limit is plain as day reaching for advantage. A catchweight is a fair deal between both fighters. Respect it people

so why go looking for them? Esp. when there are rumours about those particular fighter working real hard to hit the maximum weight, unless you think you are trying to catch a soft title/payday.

If boxers come in to these fights light then we expect them to be looking to gain a speed advantage.

People are picking Pac over Cotto (but not Mosely) based on their last fights repectively.

Pac took out a chin up no plan Hatton, Mosely looked reborn against a static Margarito, Cotto had the toughest fight of the three, not because he is the worst of the bunch but because the man opposite him was good, plenty of people picked Berto to win.

A catchweight is fair if both fighters can comfortably make that weight.


It's bad enough they split the orignal weight divisions, now the current crop isn't good enough (for some) they want to split it up even more?

Wow, first of all neither MOsley nor Cotto have significant troubles making 147 hence why Cotto came in at 146 for this last fight. Second Hatton is ranked way higher than Clottey p4p, so was Margarito. And Margarito beat CLottey so I don't know how your logic about COtto facing the best opponent fits, maybe the hardest opponent for his style, but even then I think Hatton was the hardest opponent stylewise on paper for Pacquiao, but great fighters find a way to adapt, if Pacquiao tried to fight Hatton like he used to, he would have gotten mauled.

Both do have trouble getting down, Mosley because of his age & Cotto because his lifestyle outside the ring involves a fair amount of eating & drinking. Just because he made 146, you will realize that he's never been below that, & when you're making weight every extra pound is a struggle. Like I said, 145 is fine as a fight, but NOT a title fight. The only time I see a catchweight as acceptable is in that such as PBF-JMM

[Julius Rain]

Are people not aware of weight range a title can be fought for? for example: the welterweight title (not the junior welterweight title) can be on the line between the weighs of 141 - 147! Fighters usually cut weigh on point to the maximum limit, in welterweights they prefer to weigh at 147 but weight down to 141 is acceptable. Fighters go for the maximum limit in hope for advantage, rarely fighters will try to weigh less than the maximum limit because of the common belief the heavier you are the stronger you are.

What is all the fuss about pacs catchweight deal? for mosley or cotto? It would be pac first catchweight fight and its not like his a real welterweight. He has fought onces at 135, 140, 147 and it aint like his recent fight was at 147. if he had grown to 147 then a catchweigh wouldnt make sense. But this guy has NOT and cotto or mosley has! I think the catchweight deal is to make the fight more equal and its insane how cotto is an underdog against pac?

Seriously, a year ago anybody that thought pac could fight cotto got laughed at. Now it seems like people are afraid to see pac fight cotto because they know his capable of winning another title from a real champ.

The catchweight deal is basically asking both fighters not to max out on the weight limit. People are saying its unfair to pacs oppenent he has to ask for a catchweight seriously unfair to pacs bigger oppenent!? Maxing out the weight limit is plain as day reaching for advantage. A catchweight is a fair deal between both fighters. Respect it people

so why go looking for them? Esp. when there are rumours about those particular fighter working real hard to hit the maximum weight, unless you think you are trying to catch a soft title/payday.

If boxers come in to these fights light then we expect them to be looking to gain a speed advantage.

People are picking Pac over Cotto (but not Mosely) based on their last fights repectively.

Pac took out a chin up no plan Hatton, Mosely looked reborn against a static Margarito, Cotto had the toughest fight of the three, not because he is the worst of the bunch but because the man opposite him was good, plenty of people picked Berto to win.

A catchweight is fair if both fighters can comfortably make that weight.


It's bad enough they split the orignal weight divisions, now the current crop isn't good enough (for some) they want to split it up even more?

Cotto himself said he could do 145 no problem, in his last bout he weighed in at 146. Pac is unlikely to even weigh in at 144 if he fights above junier weltwer weight. Do you still think its unfair?

Are you guys telling me you guys believe pac would easily beat cotto at any weight below 147? nuthuggers!

Its up to the two fighters and this fight is likely to happen at a catchweight.

[CFH]

Are people not aware of weight range a title can be fought for? for example: the welterweight title (not the junior welterweight title) can be on the line between the weighs of 141 - 147! Fighters usually cut weigh on point to the maximum limit, in welterweights they prefer to weigh at 147 but weight down to 141 is acceptable. Fighters go for the maximum limit in hope for advantage, rarely fighters will try to weigh less than the maximum limit because of the common belief the heavier you are the stronger you are.

What is all the fuss about pacs catchweight deal? for mosley or cotto? It would be pac first catchweight fight and its not like his a real welterweight. He has fought onces at 135, 140, 147 and it aint like his recent fight was at 147. if he had grown to 147 then a catchweigh wouldnt make sense. But this guy has NOT and cotto or mosley has! I think the catchweight deal is to make the fight more equal and its insane how cotto is an underdog against pac?

Seriously, a year ago anybody that thought pac could fight cotto got laughed at. Now it seems like people are afraid to see pac fight cotto because they know his capable of winning another title from a real champ.

The catchweight deal is basically asking both fighters not to max out on the weight limit. People are saying its unfair to pacs oppenent he has to ask for a catchweight seriously unfair to pacs bigger oppenent!? Maxing out the weight limit is plain as day reaching for advantage. A catchweight is a fair deal between both fighters. Respect it people

so why go looking for them? Esp. when there are rumours about those particular fighter working real hard to hit the maximum weight, unless you think you are trying to catch a soft title/payday.

If boxers come in to these fights light then we expect them to be looking to gain a speed advantage.

People are picking Pac over Cotto (but not Mosely) based on their last fights repectively.

Pac took out a chin up no plan Hatton, Mosely looked reborn against a static Margarito, Cotto had the toughest fight of the three, not because he is the worst of the bunch but because the man opposite him was good, plenty of people picked Berto to win.

A catchweight is fair if both fighters can comfortably make that weight.


It's bad enough they split the orignal weight divisions, now the current crop isn't good enough (for some) they want to split it up even more?

Cotto himself said he could do 145 no problem, in his last bout he weighed in at 146. Pac is unlikely to even weigh in at 144 if he fights above junier weltwer weight. Do you still think its unfair?

Are you guys telling me you guys believe pac would easily beat cotto at any weight below 147? nuthuggers!

Its up to the two fighters and this fight is likely to happen at a catchweight.

Of course he said that. Offer me 10 million dollars and I'll tell you I can make 80 lbs and I'll try my best to do it. Boxers say and do all kinds of things to get marquee fights made.

Just because he can make the weight doesn't mean he's going to be at his best. I think Pac would beat Cotto handily at 147 and that victory would have a lot more credibility than one at 145. Like it or not, if this fight takes place anywhere below 147, it will always have an asterix beside it in many peoples eyes.

[generalbulldog]

I was thinking Pac should just fight at 147 for the titles, but a fair catchweight for no titles would still be fine for me. Something like 144 is fair for both sides imo.

BTW, the Hatton fans are now saying their man wasn't the same after the Kostya fight, but they sure didn't say that when they were predicting a knockout victory against Floyd and Pac just a few months back. And other lame excuses like his lifestyle came into play.

I swear the Hatton fans are probably the 2nd most annoying fans after Pac fans.

[CFH]

I was thinking Pac should just fight at 147 for the titles, but a fair catchweight for no titles would still be fine for me. Something like 144 is fair for both sides imo.

BTW, the Hatton fans are now saying their man wasn't the same after the Kostya fight, but they sure didn't say that when they were predicting a knockout victory against Floyd and Pac just a few months back. And other lame excuses like his lifestyle came into play.

I swear the Hatton fans are probably the 2nd most annoying fans after Pac fans.

What does that have to do with anything? No one has said anything close to that in this thread.

How could Hatton be shot after the best victory of his (at that point) relatively young career?

[Julius Rain]

so why go looking for them? Esp. when there are rumours about those particular fighter working real hard to hit the maximum weight, unless you think you are trying to catch a soft title/payday.

If boxers come in to these fights light then we expect them to be looking to gain a speed advantage.

People are picking Pac over Cotto (but not Mosely) based on their last fights repectively.

Pac took out a chin up no plan Hatton, Mosely looked reborn against a static Margarito, Cotto had the toughest fight of the three, not because he is the worst of the bunch but because the man opposite him was good, plenty of people picked Berto to win.

A catchweight is fair if both fighters can comfortably make that weight.


It's bad enough they split the orignal weight divisions, now the current crop isn't good enough (for some) they want to split it up even more?

Cotto himself said he could do 145 no problem, in his last bout he weighed in at 146. Pac is unlikely to even weigh in at 144 if he fights above junier weltwer weight. Do you still think its unfair?

Are you guys telling me you guys believe pac would easily beat cotto at any weight below 147? nuthuggers!

Its up to the two fighters and this fight is likely to happen at a catchweight.

Of course he said that. Offer me 10 million dollars and I'll tell you I can make 80 lbs and I'll try my best to do it. Boxers say and do all kinds of things to get marquee fights made.

Just because he can make the weight doesn't mean he's going to be at his best. I think Pac would beat Cotto handily at 147 and that victory would have a lot more credibility than one at 145. Like it or not, if this fight takes place anywhere below 147, it will always have an asterix beside it in many peoples eyes.

yea ofcourse the nuetral fans would be like cotto was shot and couldn't pull the trigger at 145 right?

Pac wins, he gets another big win over a great fighter plus his 7th division title. Thats what the history book would read, not what the bias fans would say

[generalbulldog]

If it's just a catchweight fight no one would really cry foul, it would be another one of those Jones-Trinidad or Pavlik-Hopkins fight.

But a catchweight fight for a world title? lol
That's just a joke.

As Marvin Hagler once said, "if you want to be champion, if you want to take my titles, then I think you better come and take it."

And Pacman should come and take it at 147.

[CFH]

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Cotto himself said he could do 145 no problem, in his last bout he weighed in at 146. Pac is unlikely to even weigh in at 144 if he fights above junier weltwer weight. Do you still think its unfair?

Are you guys telling me you guys believe pac would easily beat cotto at any weight below 147? nuthuggers!

Its up to the two fighters and this fight is likely to happen at a catchweight.

Of course he said that. Offer me 10 million dollars and I'll tell you I can make 80 lbs and I'll try my best to do it. Boxers say and do all kinds of things to get marquee fights made.

Just because he can make the weight doesn't mean he's going to be at his best. I think Pac would beat Cotto handily at 147 and that victory would have a lot more credibility than one at 145. Like it or not, if this fight takes place anywhere below 147, it will always have an asterix beside it in many peoples eyes.

yea ofcourse the nuetral fans would be like cotto was shot and couldn't pull the trigger at 145 right?

Pac wins, he gets another big win over a great fighter plus his 7th division title. Thats what the history book would read, not what the bias fans would say

People will say similar things about a Cotto fight at 145 as they do about the ODH fight and it will delegitimize what should be an extremely impressive accomplishment. Take this thread for example, look at how people still talk about Leonard - Lalonde. Cotto has reportedly had some difficulties making 147 and he was an emaciated ghost at 140. Making him come to 145 will potentially reduce his energy and punch resistance and if it looks that way during the fight people are going to be bringing it up whenever his victory is discussed. I feel Pacquiao would beat Cotto at 147, so I want to see the fight take place at a weight that allows both fighters to perform to the best of their abilities.

I would also like to say that I agree with Killer, catchweight as fine as long as both fighters agree to them, but title should never be on the line in such situations.

And if you're called me a "bias fan", I would remind you that I have stated on several occasions that I feel Pac is an all-time great fighter and that if he beats two of Mosley, Mayweather, and Cotto (excluding catchweights for Cotto and Mosley) that I would consider him in the top 5 - 10 fighters ever.

[rjj tszyu]

I don't think it matters. I think Pac will beat Cotto even at 147. Now if someone had told me i'd be saying that 12 months ago I would have laughed in their face.

[The Congressman]

Pac winning a 7th division title at catchweight?.. Sure, I'm with it. He's not gonna get so much credit for it, but that'll be ok for now. Maybe he can fight for the real 147 belt early next year. He hasn't outgrown jr welter yet, so why the rush at 147?

[ElTerribleMorales]

Are people not aware of weight range a title can be fought for? for example: the welterweight title (not the junior welterweight title) can be on the line between the weighs of 141 - 147! Fighters usually cut weigh on point to the maximum limit, in welterweights they prefer to weigh at 147 but weight down to 141 is acceptable. Fighters go for the maximum limit in hope for advantage, rarely fighters will try to weigh less than the maximum limit because of the common belief the heavier you are the stronger you are.

What is all the fuss about pacs catchweight deal? for mosley or cotto? It would be pac first catchweight fight and its not like his a real welterweight. He has fought onces at 135, 140, 147 and it aint like his recent fight was at 147. if he had grown to 147 then a catchweigh wouldnt make sense. But this guy has NOT and cotto or mosley has! I think the catchweight deal is to make the fight more equal and its insane how cotto is an underdog against pac?

Seriously, a year ago anybody that thought pac could fight cotto got laughed at. Now it seems like people are afraid to see pac fight cotto because they know his capable of winning another title from a real champ.

The catchweight deal is basically asking both fighters not to max out on the weight limit. People are saying its unfair to pacs oppenent he has to ask for a catchweight seriously unfair to pacs bigger oppenent!? Maxing out the weight limit is plain as day reaching for advantage. A catchweight is a fair deal between both fighters. Respect it people

you said it ranging from 141 to 147, so if Manny wants to become welterweight champion he has to fight a champion at welter and that champion is allowed to max out if he wants up to 147 and has NO NEED to go any lower than that if he chooses not to, if Manny wants to win a title at WELTERWEIGHT, well he needs to fight it at the range of welter and no catchweight bullshit, advantage? the guy's at welter are fighting in their class, if Pacquiao thinks he doesn't have a shot at them at their best, well he shouldn't take the fight, simple as that

i think Calderon should take up a fight against Manny for his lineal Jr. Welter title, but so that it's even, he should ask it to be at 120

[fan johnny]

Are people not aware of weight range a title can be fought for? for example: the welterweight title (not the junior welterweight title) can be on the line between the weighs of 141 - 147! Fighters usually cut weigh on point to the maximum limit, in welterweights they prefer to weigh at 147 but weight down to 141 is acceptable. Fighters go for the maximum limit in hope for advantage, rarely fighters will try to weigh less than the maximum limit because of the common belief the heavier you are the stronger you are.

What is all the fuss about pacs catchweight deal? for mosley or cotto? It would be pac first catchweight fight and its not like his a real welterweight. He has fought onces at 135, 140, 147 and it aint like his recent fight was at 147. if he had grown to 147 then a catchweigh wouldnt make sense. But this guy has NOT and cotto or mosley has! I think the catchweight deal is to make the fight more equal and its insane how cotto is an underdog against pac?

Seriously, a year ago anybody that thought pac could fight cotto got laughed at. Now it seems like people are afraid to see pac fight cotto because they know his capable of winning another title from a real champ.

The catchweight deal is basically asking both fighters not to max out on the weight limit. People are saying its unfair to pacs oppenent he has to ask for a catchweight seriously unfair to pacs bigger oppenent!? Maxing out the weight limit is plain as day reaching for advantage. A catchweight is a fair deal between both fighters. Respect it people

I agree... except, It's not like he's a natural middleweight qualifying to fight in the welterweight class.