Is Bilbo full of crap?

[Sharla]

I seen a pair of sisters get drunk and than fukk each other. I saw no problem in that what's so ever

I second that......as long as they were hot. 2 dudes would be wrong but 2 chicks is good stuff indeed.

Nothing to do with the fact that multiple hot women is one of the most common male fantasies at all I'm sure.

You wouldn't feel differently at all if you were homosexual and then vote two brothers is 'good stuff' ......

I'm not sure than when guys consider this issue they're logic is just slightly influenced by some other head than the one sitting on their shoulders!

[Sharla]

More than likely he's just saying shit to wind you up.

Bilbo likes to rattle off about creationism vs dinosaurs a lot.

Incest is part of creationism theory - so to him it's probably normal. But most paedo's think they're normal.

Very good point Missy - I had not clicked onto the link between this and his other, more dominant obsession!

I went to a course on Australian Aboriginal culture yesterday and one of their pretty sophisticated laws was the 8 skins law.

Basically you belonged to a 'skin' and could not marry other particular skins - designed so the closest relative you could marry would be a fifth cousin. Designed specifically to avoid incest.

I went home to my religious flatmate and among other impressive things about their traditional laws/culture I recited this 8 skins law.

It suddenly occured to her that she believed in creation and it must've meant that at some stage if what she believed was literally true everyone slept with everyone. She looked pretty horrified. So glad I don't believe in that!

Just a quick comment on the incest creationism story.

It is true that the original sons and daughters of Adam and Eve would have married each other other, hence brother sister marriages, however this was at the very start of creation and brother sister relations were acceptable then.

Only in Moses time in Leviticus were familial relationships outlawed, prior to that period they were commonplace, Abraham himself married his half sister.

The point is familial relationships are wrong today because of two reasons, one the Bible condems them so morally wrong and secondly because our genes today have too many copy errors since the fall so we need to spread the gene pool a bit.

Adam and Eve's children were born into a near perfect world and the copying errors and bad genes wern't an issue then. Only after thousands of years of denigration did that law need to be changed, for the health of mankind.

And anyway, regardless of whether you believe in creationism or not the first people were incestous.

Science has now proven that the entire human race does indeed desend from a single female (they call it the Eve hypotheses), they only differ with the Bible in the Time Line and the location.

That's why I laugh at scoffers who mock the idea of a first man and women, completely ignorant to the fact that even if you believe in evolution you have to accept there was a first human from whom we are all evolved anyhow.

By definition an individual species must be unable to reproduce with another species so I'm very sceptical of your interpretation of this first Eve story.

I don't believe 'the first human' was something like Virgin Mary and spontaneously became preggers without a male being involved somewhere along the line.

Immaculate conception is more of a biblical idea i think.

You'll have to send me a link of this story so I can read what they really mean.

I suspect what it really means is the 'first eve' had a lot of human traits which were passed on and actual speciation occured over time probably in conjuction with other environmental factors or behavioural adaptations made possible by those traits.

There is nothing that says incest needs to occur for the formation of a new species via evolution at all.

[Andre]

Very good point Missy - I had not clicked onto the link between this and his other, more dominant obsession!

I went to a course on Australian Aboriginal culture yesterday and one of their pretty sophisticated laws was the 8 skins law.

Basically you belonged to a 'skin' and could not marry other particular skins - designed so the closest relative you could marry would be a fifth cousin. Designed specifically to avoid incest.

I went home to my religious flatmate and among other impressive things about their traditional laws/culture I recited this 8 skins law.

It suddenly occured to her that she believed in creation and it must've meant that at some stage if what she believed was literally true everyone slept with everyone. She looked pretty horrified. So glad I don't believe in that!

Just a quick comment on the incest creationism story.

It is true that the original sons and daughters of Adam and Eve would have married each other other, hence brother sister marriages, however this was at the very start of creation and brother sister relations were acceptable then.

Only in Moses time in Leviticus were familial relationships outlawed, prior to that period they were commonplace, Abraham himself married his half sister.

The point is familial relationships are wrong today because of two reasons, one the Bible condems them so morally wrong and secondly because our genes today have too many copy errors since the fall so we need to spread the gene pool a bit.

Adam and Eve's children were born into a near perfect world and the copying errors and bad genes wern't an issue then. Only after thousands of years of denigration did that law need to be changed, for the health of mankind.

And anyway, regardless of whether you believe in creationism or not the first people were incestous.

Science has now proven that the entire human race does indeed desend from a single female (they call it the Eve hypotheses), they only differ with the Bible in the Time Line and the location.

That's why I laugh at scoffers who mock the idea of a first man and women, completely ignorant to the fact that even if you believe in evolution you have to accept there was a first human from whom we are all evolved anyhow.

By definition an individual species must be unable to reproduce with another species so I'm very sceptical of your interpretation of this first Eve story.

I don't believe 'the first human' was something like Virgin Mary and spontaneously became preggers without a male being involved somewhere along the line.

Immaculate conception is more of a biblical idea i think.

You'll have to send me a link of this story so I can read what they really mean.

I suspect what it really means is the 'first eve' had a lot of human traits which were passed on and actual speciation occured over time probably in conjuction with other environmental factors or behavioural adaptations made possible by those traits.

There is nothing that says incest needs to occur for the formation of a new species via evolution at all.

Also if you choose to believe in it word for word then you have to side with the people who claim the Earth was created approx 6000 years ago or whatever they say. Also that God has planted older bones all around the place to try and fool you into disbelieving in him so he's got an inbuilt excuse to burn your ass up. Nice God.

[Sharla]

Just a quick comment on the incest creationism story.

It is true that the original sons and daughters of Adam and Eve would have married each other other, hence brother sister marriages, however this was at the very start of creation and brother sister relations were acceptable then.

Only in Moses time in Leviticus were familial relationships outlawed, prior to that period they were commonplace, Abraham himself married his half sister.

The point is familial relationships are wrong today because of two reasons, one the Bible condems them so morally wrong and secondly because our genes today have too many copy errors since the fall so we need to spread the gene pool a bit.

Adam and Eve's children were born into a near perfect world and the copying errors and bad genes wern't an issue then. Only after thousands of years of denigration did that law need to be changed, for the health of mankind.

And anyway, regardless of whether you believe in creationism or not the first people were incestous.

Science has now proven that the entire human race does indeed desend from a single female (they call it the Eve hypotheses), they only differ with the Bible in the Time Line and the location.

That's why I laugh at scoffers who mock the idea of a first man and women, completely ignorant to the fact that even if you believe in evolution you have to accept there was a first human from whom we are all evolved anyhow.

By definition an individual species must be unable to reproduce with another species so I'm very sceptical of your interpretation of this first Eve story.

I don't believe 'the first human' was something like Virgin Mary and spontaneously became preggers without a male being involved somewhere along the line.

Immaculate conception is more of a biblical idea i think.

You'll have to send me a link of this story so I can read what they really mean.

I suspect what it really means is the 'first eve' had a lot of human traits which were passed on and actual speciation occured over time probably in conjuction with other environmental factors or behavioural adaptations made possible by those traits.

There is nothing that says incest needs to occur for the formation of a new species via evolution at all.

Also if you choose to believe in it word for word then you have to side with the people who claim the Earth was created approx 6000 years ago or whatever they say. Also that God has planted older bones all around the place to try and fool you into disbelieving in him so he's got an inbuilt excuse to burn your ass up. Nice God.

Yeah and I struggle to understand why an all powerful god would only start with two people if it means he has to approve incest to begin with and then decide it's unacceptable later.

Wouldn't it be easier to just create more people from the beginning?!?! Seems again to set people up to be burned - changing the rules so what they're used to, been doing for several generations is suddenly wrong and they can now be committed to hell for all eternity for doing what he wanted them to do last week!

[BoxingGorilla]

Fantasy is just dandy.

That's how serial killers start.

Good point, actually.