Victor Ortiz is a quiter

[Pavlik]

why hate on the guy, I hate this shit fans deeming a guy a quiter or some such nonsense. It's boxing, they get hurt, he got taged hard numerous times, and like he said he'd like to be able to speak in old age. I respect guys whom aren't to proud to throw in the towel, nothing wrong with that. I like boxing but hate to see anyone ever hurt in the sport, and guys usually get hurt cause they're to proud to quit or cause the ref or corner aren't throwing in the towel. Good fight, nothing wrong with ortiz's decision those were some bombs he took

It's not a knock on Vic as the kid is obviously humble. It's just the prefight hype his hardship in life and so forth made my expectations higher. He also looks like a BIG junior welter.

[TheDemolitionDan]

UPSET of the year and may'be Fight of the year

[LEGION]

Was disappointed in performance and attitude; oh well find another job if heart only resides when you win.

[mexirican]

An exciting fight with a disappointing end. For growing up with a tough upbringing, Ortiz didn't show the heart a Mexican fighter typically has. Especially when fighting as the headliner in the town that supports you, He said he didn't want to go out on his back, well to me it would have been more respectable than turning his back and shaking his head. We've all seen fighters go on with cuts worst than that (Cotto fought 9 rds. with Colotty) Ortiz must dig deep and find the passion that got him recognized

[OumaFan]

I'm not gonna jump on the guy, but his interview called into question how much he's really into this IMO.

[generalbulldog]

Gerald McClellan didn't know when to quit against Nigel Benn. He's only partially deaf, blind, in a wheel chair, with brain damage and struggling to pay his medical bills. And he also had Nigel Benn helped him raise money to pay for his medical bills in one of those fundraisers.


The fans that were calling McClellan so brave in fighting to get brain damage sure as hell didn't give a damn about what happened to him after that bout with Benn. Victor should look out for himself first, not the fan's lust to see him get brain damage.

[ElTerribleMorales]

what were the first words Jones said when he finally lost? i'm not sure if it was in the 2nd Tarver fight or the Johnson loss, but i know he said "it's just not fun anymore" well no shit, getting KTFO isn't fun, and that's coming from a legend, give the kid a break he's 22, he can only learn from this

[Majesty]

I didn't take the he shouldnt be taking punishment like that the way Max did.

Of course Max takes it like he means he shouldnt be boxing.

But i think he meant he shouldn't be in there neglecting his boxing skills and defense and taking punishment and getting beat up by someone he shouldn't be getting beat up by. And I agree with him. He should have used his boxing skill advantages rather then constantly going for the KO. But he's young he is only 22 he'll learn. It was just too much too soon, he wasn't ready to be main eventing yet

[ElTerribleMorales]

I didn't take the he shouldnt be taking punishment like that the way Max did.

Of course Max takes it like he means he shouldnt be boxing.

But i think he meant he shouldn't be in there neglecting his boxing skills and defense and taking punishment and getting beat up by someone he shouldn't be getting beat up by. And I agree with him. He should have used his boxing skill advantages rather then constantly going for the KO. But he's young he is only 22 he'll learn. It was just too much too soon, he wasn't ready to be main eventing yet

same here, the way i understood it was, he shouldn't be taking the kind of punishment that he took at this stage of his career, that he's going to have to go back to the drawing board and work on his defense a bit, Maidana has anvils for fists, Ortiz's left eye was fine going into the last round, completely unswollen, not even half way into the round it looked like it had been being tagged on all night

[Pavlik]

I didn't take the he shouldnt be taking punishment like that the way Max did.

Of course Max takes it like he means he shouldnt be boxing.

But i think he meant he shouldn't be in there neglecting his boxing skills and defense and taking punishment and getting beat up by someone he shouldn't be getting beat up by. And I agree with him. He should have used his boxing skill advantages rather then constantly going for the KO. But he's young he is only 22 he'll learn. It was just too much too soon, he wasn't ready to be main eventing yet

same here, the way i understood it was, he shouldn't be taking the kind of punishment that he took at this stage of his career, that he's going to have to go back to the drawing board and work on his defense a bit, Maidana has anvils for fists, Ortiz's left eye was fine going into the last round, completely unswollen, not even half way into the round it looked like it had been being tagged on all night

anvil it is mate, the left hook that landed once made the cut, then I think 1 or 2 rights made the inflammation. I really hope Maidana gets a world class trainer.

[SweetPea]

It's 100% fair to question Ortiz's heart after what happened last night. He laughed his way thru the entire postfight interview and didn't seem to grasp at all that he had just quit in a big fight that could have a lasting effect on his career.

He might not have the stomach to be a top fighter.

[markb018]

It's 100% fair to question Ortiz's heart after what happened last night. He laughed his way thru the entire postfight interview and didn't seem to grasp at all that he had just quit in a big fight that could have a lasting effect on his career.

He might not have the stomach to be a top fighter.

He pretty much said this sport isn't for me last night, I am ok with that. He got beat up he didn't like. If the kid is out I am ok with that and so should everyone else

[Kev]

It will be tough to come back from that now, his future opponents will be motivated by that and will try and make him quit again.

He reminds me a lot of Juan Diaz, great skills and lethal if you let him bully you but questionable punch resistance and vulnarable when bullied back.

I still want to see him fight again though, exciting fighter and he's still just a baby at 22.

[KananKrus]

It will be tough to come back from that now, his future opponents will be motivated by that and will try and make him quit again.

He reminds me a lot of Juan Diaz, great skills and lethal if you let him bully you but questionable punch resistance and vulnarable when bullied back.

True that! It's one thing to get beat on the skill side or the physical side of the confrontation, it can easily be chalked up to lesson one... on to leson 2!

It is however, another level to get beat on the emotional or psychological side of it, that is one haunting scenario which has serious potential to derail future plans of aspiring, up and coming fighters, even at the very top level.

See, this goes back to the old adage that fighters are born, they are not made.

A fighter would never quit, however outfought they may be at any given moment. If then beat, they go home and resolve to get much better and get saddled for the next available fight, the soonest!

On the others side the "gym produce" version, is less instinctive in fighting and will always have the better grasp of things when outclassed, will quit or fight in safety mode and less aggressive.

Surely, this is a detriment to the "produce" fighter to some degree in parallel to his threshold of the "safety first" mindset. Also in addition, conversely in comparison to "born" fighters, "quit" is easily reached in their minds, having none of that "better to die than be humbled" mentality which minimally a warrior's mind will possess.

Quit temporarily on a game to game basis is OK, but if it has reached to the gut level, it is probably already a kiss of death to a fighter!

Ortiz can rise from this, the victor in him, but he needs to summon his warrior spirit... mightily!

[JT Rock]

If he had enough he had enough bottom line its his life and his choice.

Not everyone has what it takes to be an Elite champion, pure skill is not enough it takes a very special motor inside to push pass pass adversity and overcome. Boxers with half his natural ability have been champs because the have the heart and mental toughness. Last night Victor got dragged out to the deep dark water and drowned.

Boxing is a hurt game your going to get hit and feel pain thats the point of it.

It is fair to question his heart because thats the measuring stick of his marketability and potential for greatness.