Victor Ortiz is a quiter

[Kev]

It will be tough to come back from that now, his future opponents will be motivated by that and will try and make him quit again.

He reminds me a lot of Juan Diaz, great skills and lethal if you let him bully you but questionable punch resistance and vulnarable when bullied back.

I still want to see him fight again though, exciting fighter and he's still just a baby at 22.

[KananKrus]

It will be tough to come back from that now, his future opponents will be motivated by that and will try and make him quit again.

He reminds me a lot of Juan Diaz, great skills and lethal if you let him bully you but questionable punch resistance and vulnarable when bullied back.

True that! It's one thing to get beat on the skill side or the physical side of the confrontation, it can easily be chalked up to lesson one... on to leson 2!

It is however, another level to get beat on the emotional or psychological side of it, that is one haunting scenario which has serious potential to derail future plans of aspiring, up and coming fighters, even at the very top level.

See, this goes back to the old adage that fighters are born, they are not made.

A fighter would never quit, however outfought they may be at any given moment. If then beat, they go home and resolve to get much better and get saddled for the next available fight, the soonest!

On the others side the "gym produce" version, is less instinctive in fighting and will always have the better grasp of things when outclassed, will quit or fight in safety mode and less aggressive.

Surely, this is a detriment to the "produce" fighter to some degree in parallel to his threshold of the "safety first" mindset. Also in addition, conversely in comparison to "born" fighters, "quit" is easily reached in their minds, having none of that "better to die than be humbled" mentality which minimally a warrior's mind will possess.

Quit temporarily on a game to game basis is OK, but if it has reached to the gut level, it is probably already a kiss of death to a fighter!

Ortiz can rise from this, the victor in him, but he needs to summon his warrior spirit... mightily!

[JT Rock]

If he had enough he had enough bottom line its his life and his choice.

Not everyone has what it takes to be an Elite champion, pure skill is not enough it takes a very special motor inside to push pass pass adversity and overcome. Boxers with half his natural ability have been champs because the have the heart and mental toughness. Last night Victor got dragged out to the deep dark water and drowned.

Boxing is a hurt game your going to get hit and feel pain thats the point of it.

It is fair to question his heart because thats the measuring stick of his marketability and potential for greatness.

[Dr. Steelhammer]

I just watched the hbo replay. Ortiz indeed quit. He simply lost the adrenaline and started thinking and feeling the pain. He lost his spirit.