Aaron Pryor

[DaxxKahn]

IMO there is no way Sugar Ray ducked Pryor. Benitez, Duran, Hearns, Hagler and Norris are all Hall of Famers. Pryor simly wasn't as big a draw as any of those guys. When Ray was the Welter Champ he even fought a very tough Ayub Kalule to win the Jr. Middle weight title when he could have picked up that title vs. a much easier champ.

There always going to be guys that get missed. Pryor was one of them.

Ducked Pryor no but self admittingly he was not looking to get in the ring with Aaron without good reason. Pryor was a freaking animal.

[CGM]

IMO there is no way Sugar Ray ducked Pryor. Benitez, Duran, Hearns, Hagler and Norris are all Hall of Famers. Pryor simly wasn't as big a draw as any of those guys. When Ray was the Welter Champ he even fought a very tough Ayub Kalule to win the Jr. Middle weight title when he could have picked up that title vs. a much easier champ.

There always going to be guys that get missed. Pryor was one of them.

Ducked Pryor no but self admittingly he was not looking to get in the ring with Aaron without good reason. Pryor was a freaking animal.

Such is the art of sports negotiation. When you are going for the best deal you can get, then sometimes you need to walk away in order that people will take you seriously. In other words, sometimes you need to call their bluff. And then other things happen. Other fights, injuries, and the next thing you know it's too late for Leonard - Pryor.

[Pavlik]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSVo7...eature=related

Aaron Pryor fans this one for ya'll

[paddy448]

what time is it, ITS HAWK TIME

[warreng]

I think pryor was very good fighter who was unlucky that the best fighters of his era passed him by much like tszyu also they both also decided to spend their careers in in the light-welterweight division rather than chasing the bigger fights in other divisions like other boxers and i think both are at least in the top 5 LW ever. but i cant see tszyu lasting more than 8 rounds with pryor, who reminds me a bit of hatton when he has an opponent on the ropes.

[THE THIRD MAN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSVo7...eature=related
Aaron Pryor fans this one for ya'll

Fighters who say they would rather die than quit on the stool are idiots! Aaron Pryor is an idiot for saying that, tell the same story to Sugar Ray Robinson, Smokin' Joe Frazier and Oscar De La Hoya all who quit on the stool. Tell it to Roberto Duran who quit mid round in a fight that was close!!! Maybe they all didn't have the right bottle!

[generalbulldog]

IMO there is no way Sugar Ray ducked Pryor. Benitez, Duran, Hearns, Hagler and Norris are all Hall of Famers. Pryor simly wasn't as big a draw as any of those guys. When Ray was the Welter Champ he even fought a very tough Ayub Kalule to win the Jr. Middle weight title when he could have picked up that title vs. a much easier champ.

There always going to be guys that get missed. Pryor was one of them.

Ducked Pryor no but self admittingly he was not looking to get in the ring with Aaron without good reason. Pryor was a freaking animal.

If Pryor wanted it so bad why didn't he move up to welterweight then? It was the hottest division back then with marquee names. Pryor was an animal indeed but at 140. Leonard was busy making fights with Hearns and Duran, which were much bigger draws than Pryor.

[Master]

SRL took on Hearns who was more fearsome than Pryor and probably damaged/shortened his career in doing so. The Leonard that beat Hearns would have beaten Pryor and any other Welter ever bar SRR. The detached retina shortened his career.

[donnydarkoIRL]

SRL took on Hearns who was more fearsome than Pryor and probably damaged/shortened his career in doing so. The Leonard that beat Hearns would have beaten Pryor and any other Welter ever bar SRR. The detached retina shortened his career.

IMO
When Leonard and Hearns first met they both would have beaten SRR

[ICB]

SRL took on Hearns who was more fearsome than Pryor and probably damaged/shortened his career in doing so. The Leonard that beat Hearns would have beaten Pryor and any other Welter ever bar SRR. The detached retina shortened his career.

IMO
When Leonard and Hearns first met they both would have beaten SRR

Thats pretty impossible to say considering theres hardly anything of SRR at Welterweight, hell except for that clip Oumafan showed us a few days ago. I don't think i had ever seen SRR at Welterweight.

[JazMerkin]

SRL took on Hearns who was more fearsome than Pryor and probably damaged/shortened his career in doing so. The Leonard that beat Hearns would have beaten Pryor and any other Welter ever bar SRR. The detached retina shortened his career.

IMO
When Leonard and Hearns first met they both would have beaten SRR

I remember the guy who runs my boxing gym who saw SRR live a number of times saying that the SRR who fought at MW was only about 25% of the WW he was, & having seen the MW footage, if you take the quote with a pinch of salt & say he was 75% at MW then he was still better than any other WW ever. Fact.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Thats pretty impossible to say considering theres hardly anything of SRR at Welterweight, hell except for that clip Oumafan showed us a few days ago. I don't think i had ever seen SRR at Welterweight.

I don't really need to see the footage of SRR.
When I watched SRL and Tommy in that fight (and I've watched it a lot) I'm convinced they were the two best welters ever.

People often say that SRR was the best ever.
Yet when faced with an arguement, they exclaim
"But there's no footage of SRR to judge correctly."

How can anyone call him the best ever welter if they've never seen him fight welter?

I remember the guy who runs my boxing gym who saw SRR live a number of times saying that the SRR who fought at MW was only about 25% of the WW he was, & having seen the MW footage, if you take the quote with a pinch of salt & say he was 75% at MW then he was still better than any other WW ever. Fact.

I understand what you're saying Jaz but he was beaten plenty at Middle.
Far more than Tommy or Ray in fact.
Any o9ld time English boxer would have seen him lose to Turpin (albeit on the tail end of a dominant European tour.)

I feel that SRR has become a mythical figure.
People atest to his greatness, without question and as I said to Ice without evidence.
Sure he was great, his record solidifies this as a fact, but I think his status has been embossed in gold through the combination of nostalgia and longing for an embodiment of the perfect fighter.

[YIDDLE]

leonard as has been said would not risk his tittles and possible high earning fights to fight pryor ,and why should pryor have to fight at welterweight before getting a tittle shot,he was a dominant champion who in this era would get a tittle shot at a higher weight with-out having to, pryor would crowd leonard just like duran did in thier first fight and get the same result setting up a great trilogy wheather or not pryor would win that trilogy is up in the air .....just my opinion

[kingfrnk]

Thats pretty impossible to say considering theres hardly anything of SRR at Welterweight, hell except for that clip Oumafan showed us a few days ago. I don't think i had ever seen SRR at Welterweight.

I don't really need to see the footage of SRR.
When I watched SRL and Tommy in that fight (and I've watched it a lot) I'm convinced they were the two best welters ever.

People often say that SRR was the best ever.
Yet when faced with an arguement, they exclaim
"But there's no footage of SRR to judge correctly."

How can anyone call him the best ever welter if they've never seen him fight welter?

I remember the guy who runs my boxing gym who saw SRR live a number of times saying that the SRR who fought at MW was only about 25% of the WW he was, & having seen the MW footage, if you take the quote with a pinch of salt & say he was 75% at MW then he was still better than any other WW ever. Fact.

I understand what you're saying Jaz but he was beaten plenty at Middle.
Far more than Tommy or Ray in fact.
Any o9ld time English boxer would have seen him lose to Turpin (albeit on the tail end of a dominant European tour.)

I feel that SRR has become a mythical figure.
People atest to his greatness, without question and as I said to Ice without evidence.
Sure he was great, his record solidifies this as a fact, but I think his status has been embossed in gold through the combination of nostalgia and longing for an embodiment of the perfect fighter.

thats what i always thought. theres just not enough proof for me to consider him the best welter ever if i never seen him fight in that weightclass.

[ICB]

Thats pretty impossible to say considering theres hardly anything of SRR at Welterweight, hell except for that clip Oumafan showed us a few days ago. I don't think i had ever seen SRR at Welterweight.

I don't really need to see the footage of SRR.
When I watched SRL and Tommy in that fight (and I've watched it a lot) I'm convinced they were the two best welters ever.

People often say that SRR was the best ever.
Yet when faced with an arguement, they exclaim
"But there's no footage of SRR to judge correctly."

How can anyone call him the best ever welter if they've never seen him fight welter?

I remember the guy who runs my boxing gym who saw SRR live a number of times saying that the SRR who fought at MW was only about 25% of the WW he was, & having seen the MW footage, if you take the quote with a pinch of salt & say he was 75% at MW then he was still better than any other WW ever. Fact.

I understand what you're saying Jaz but he was beaten plenty at Middle.
Far more than Tommy or Ray in fact.
Any o9ld time English boxer would have seen him lose to Turpin (albeit on the tail end of a dominant European tour.)

I feel that SRR has become a mythical figure.
People atest to his greatness, without question and as I said to Ice without evidence.
Sure he was great, his record solidifies this as a fact, but I think his status has been embossed in gold through the combination of nostalgia and longing for an embodiment of the perfect fighter.

Well im not the person that says that Donny, i can't really tell how great he is at Welterweight because i've never seen a full fight of his at Welterweight, all we can go by is article's and other peoples opinions.

But from the footage i have seen of his at Middleweight, he looked pretty damn good. And well ahead of his time, so i can assume he was quite a bit better at his peak and at his natural weightclass.

But one thing i do disagree with you on Donny is the Middleweight thing, obviously SRR would lose quite alot at Middleweight. Because he wasn't at his best best weightclass, and he was past his peak. Plus he fought countless times at that weightclass.

Where as SRL only fought there once, and Thomas Hearns, only fought at Middleweight a few times. So obviously they wouldn't lose as much, thats pretty obvious.

SRR lost to Randolph Turpin, but didn't he bravely beat him in the rematch ? even great boxers always meet a style that cancel's there one out. But atleast he beat him in the return.

Where as Thomas Hearns lost to Iran Barkley at Middleweight, a fighter i truly believe would of been embarrassed by SRR. And Thomas Hearns lost the rematch aswell which is a big difference.