Holy smoke batman I didn't realise what i was about to start. It was a fairly off hand comment really particularly regarding Jack Johnson. I guess I just had a hankering for the old days of the HW division when it seemed a lot tougher. I'm not one to bag the Klits too much but the fight really didnt do anything for me. And Lyle you are right about some of the things you say about Mr Johnson, he was in it for the $$ I guess as much as anyone. Maybe I should have said Foreman, or Marciano or Ali instead of Johnson but I still have the hankering. : )