Am i the only one who thinks Pacquiao should be fighting Mosley??

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Im not really fussed with Pac fight Mosley. Im more into Mosley fighting Mayweather (Who has more credibility at 147)

[the wiz]

I have no problem with Pac fighting Cotto since Cotto beat Mosely. The fighter the Mosely should be fighting is Floyd. Instead Mayweather fights another GBP fighter in Marquez.

[fan johnny]

And Cotto got torn up against Margarito (the same guy that Mosley outboxed, out fought and generally just schooled) and then struggled to win convincingly against Clottey...

So really I think logic can go out the window...

If it were a round robin tournament, I'd agree but basically I'm only comparing Mosley and Cotto. Margacheato is not in the picture.

[fan johnny]

Pac-Cotto is bigger event than Pac-Mosley. And why would team pac take a big-risk-low-reward fight?

What are you talking about? How is Pacquiao facing any welter weight not a risk? Yet he's tentatively facing Cotto....

[AdamGB]

And Cotto got torn up against Margarito (the same guy that Mosley outboxed, out fought and generally just schooled) and then struggled to win convincingly against Clottey...

So really I think logic can go out the window...

If it were a round robin tournament, I'd agree but basically I'm only comparing Mosley and Cotto. Margacheato is not in the picture.

Yeah but my point is that Pac's team must know that Cottos is more flawed/vunerable than Mosley, hence taking cottos instead.

One thing that Cotto will have going for him is that Pac's team won't find it as easy to weight drain Cotto (on paper at least anyway) as with Oscar/the attempt at Mosley, he's not as big in the first place and isn't that long removed from 140.

[blegit]

People are tripping saying Mosley is a big risk low reward. Mosley is a big risk and a big reward. Pac would get the percentage he was looking for and money still along the lines of a Cotto fight. And Mosley is THE welterweight champ right now. Beating him is a much bigger reward than beating Cotto. It would be historical. A lot of people already see Pac beating Cotto. Very very few against Mosley. So the real problem is that Mosley is a big reward but way too big of a risk. It would knock off a lot of Pac's marketability if he got blown out. The other fights would then be less eventful. Mosley and Williams are the "stay away" welterweights for Pac. And Roach knows it.

[kingfrnk]

i think Pac is avoiding Mosley or Roach.

[generalbulldog]

De La Hoya did his 2 worst PPVs with Mosley. And usually the big names of the sport manages to do really well when fighting Oscar the cash cow. Not to mentioned the Margarito-Mosley fight didn't sell that well.

Hell Floyd called out Shane years ago when Floyd was still at Super Feather to do business in the ring and Shane said no, now Shane wants a big money fight and all the guys are saying hell no because you don't draw viewers. So basically a high risk low reward type of fight for everyone. Only Shane has himself to blame. If I was Pacman I would rather fight for bigger money with Cotto and his large fanbase of Puerto Ricans or Mayweather and his status in the game as the default P4p champ wtih a zero loss for the mythical p4p title.

[JonesJrMayweather]

De La Hoya did his 2 worst PPVs with Mosley. And usually the big names of the sport manages to do really well when fighting Oscar the cash cow. Not to mentioned the Margarito-Mosley fight didn't sell that well.

Hell Floyd called out Shane years ago when Floyd was still at Super Feather to do business in the ring and Shane said no, now Shane wants a big money fight and all the guys are saying hell no because you don't draw viewers. So basically a high risk low reward type of fight for everyone. Only Shane has himself to blame. If I was Pacman I would rather fight for bigger money with Cotto and his large fanbase of Puerto Ricans or Mayweather and his status in the game as the default P4p champ wtih a zero loss for the mythical p4p title.

(1) Its just a flat fucking lie either that or you're severely misinformed. ODLH v Mosley 2 sold had over 950k buys..which is ranks 4th only behind oscar's fights with PBF, TITO, and BHOP...All the others are earned and sold less...Whichs includes VArgas, Quartey, Mayorga, Sweet Pea, JCC, Gernaro Hernandez and Sturm so please with the mosely isn't a draw bull shit.

(2) Neiher Mayweather or Shane ever really talked about fighting each back then and it was only discussed after Shane was ranked p4p 1 in the same year that floyd won Fighter of the year and it was just that. Simple speculation. Shane had moved up to face oscar while floyd was having trouble with JLC a fight that ended all the speculation about he'd do against at that time Shane mosely no 1 p4p.

Im not really fussed with Pac fight Mosley. Im more into Mosley fighting Mayweather (Who has more credibility at 147)

I agree too, I wonder what dick head neg repped you? PBF-SHANE is a much better fight than watching either one of them school manny esp PBF would expose Manny's reach. I think floyd would actually stop manny late and shane would walk through him.

Wow people on here way overrate MOsley, did you see him against Mayorga? The first Vargas fight? Against Vernon Forest? Against Winky WRight?

Mosley is a really good fighter, but look at what Oscar did to Mayorga, then what Mosley did against him, and PBF beat Oscar handily. Mosley is getting way too much credit for beating a sitting duck in Magarito who is slow as hell, and the only thing you have to do against him is move half decently.

Cotto beat Mosley, and I think Clottey would give Mosley more than he could handle as well. I mean Clottey wouldn't be hurt by Mosley, he has fast enough hands to land on Mosley, and his defense is good enough to block Mosley's predictable offensive sequences.

Mosley is in the same league as Cotto and Clottey and the rest of the top WW, which is a step below Mayweather, and possibly Pacquiao, I am not sure how Pacquiao skills will matchup against somebody with speed similar to his own because that has been his huge advantage against Oscar and Hatton so far. That being said Mosley is hardly a gifted counter puncher against anyone with any semblance of a defense, or he hasn't been for some time. IMO Marquez has the same type of handspeed as current Mosley, but he is so much sharper.

IMO Pacquiao-Mosley is 50/50
and PAcquiao-Cotto is 60/40, but it will be much bigger for the sport, and Manny will get similar credit as he should fighting Mosley because Cotto has much better timing, hits harder, and IMO naturally bigger than Mosley in everyway except height and reach.

I sometimes wonder what you have against Shane...

(1) You ask did anyone see how shane did against 4 fighters that are naturally bigger than. Winky, MAYORGA, FoRRest. VARGAS. Two of whom he stopped!?!?!?!?!?!? Winky has been up to 174. And has Taylor, hopkins, and Tito on his resume. And these are the guys you use to discredit shane. That logic escapes me.

(2) You say look at what Oscar did to Mayorga vs what Shane did then say PBF beat oscar handedly? If that's the case Shane beat Oscar more handedly and clearly than Floyd so what's your point?

(3) Lastly, You really believe Cotto is better than Mosely. Where it should be clear that Cotto got the Decision based off him being the young star on the rise with a fight with Tony right behind it. Although the decision was still a toss up and would not have been a problem either way. And then you say Cotto has better timing than Mosley and hits harder? Then explain how Shane Manages to stop the Man that made cotto quit when cotto hit margarito more times than shane? Name one fighter with a granite chin that Cotto has stopped or even clearly hurt..

[Taeth]

When did Mosley beat Oscar more clearly than Mayweather? Which fucking fight? The first one he didn't, the second fight which was a more complete Oscar, he didn't even deserve to win that fight, and was outlanded by a large margin. Also that Mosley isn't the one you see today, both of those versions of him possessed a little more speed, and a little more power, I don't think he was a lot worse, but a little bit worse for sure, even though now he is a little better at dealing with the bigger guys.

Vargas was bigger, but severly weight drained especially in the second fight, and he was way past his prime, which he wasn't when he faced Oscar.

Mayorga was bigger than Oscar also, but Oscar has better punching power, and he is a better boxer than Mosley who is primarily speed.

Are you honestly arguing who has the better timing between SHane Mosley and Cotto? Watch their fight again, it was close but Cotto clearly won, and he was badly outtiming Mosley early.

Against Margarito, SHane wasn't fighting off the ropes like Cotto was, once again watch Mosley-COtto, Miguel was landing the much harder punches between them. Shane also muscled Margarito around, which I said Cotto should have done, he was moving Tony around the few times he clinched him, but Mosley was leaning on Margarito, forcing him backwards and landing big punches while Margarito wasn't.

Explain to me how Floyd sapped the energy out of Baldomir, while Judah and Vernon FOrrest who hit harder couldn't make him lose his spirit. Its because not being able to land punches tires you out way faster than landing shots. Thats why Pavlik got so tired against Hopkins.

[C-Lo]

Shane has said he will take 40/60 split in Pacquiao's favour he will come down to 144lbs Shane is the number 1 Welterweight in the world surely this fight would be bigger than Pacquiao vs Cotto and i would love to see Mosley vs Pacquiao who is with me??

Honestly, I would enjoy either fight. Both are Pacquiao fighting the best welterweights out there. Hard to complain about this one.

I knew this would end up a fight against Cotto cause Arum has both fighters under Top Rank. It's too sweet a deal for him.

[JonesJrMayweather]

When did Mosley beat Oscar more clearly than Mayweather? Which fucking fight? The first one he didn't, the second fight which was a more complete Oscar, he didn't even deserve to win that fight, and was outlanded by a large margin. Also that Mosley isn't the one you see today, both of those versions of him possessed a little more speed, and a little more power, I don't think he was a lot worse, but a little bit worse for sure, even though now he is a little better at dealing with the bigger guys.

Vargas was bigger, but severly weight drained especially in the second fight, and he was way past his prime, which he wasn't when he faced Oscar.

Mayorga was bigger than Oscar also, but Oscar has better punching power, and he is a better boxer than Mosley who is primarily speed.

Are you honestly arguing who has the better timing between SHane Mosley and Cotto? Watch their fight again, it was close but Cotto clearly won, and he was badly outtiming Mosley early.

Against Margarito, SHane wasn't fighting off the ropes like Cotto was, once again watch Mosley-COtto, Miguel was landing the much harder punches between them. Shane also muscled Margarito around, which I said Cotto should have done, he was moving Tony around the few times he clinched him, but Mosley was leaning on Margarito, forcing him backwards and landing big punches while Margarito wasn't.

Explain to me how Floyd sapped the energy out of Baldomir, while Judah and Vernon FOrrest who hit harder couldn't make him lose his spirit. Its because not being able to land punches tires you out way faster than landing shots. Thats why Pavlik got so tired against Hopkins.

Shane hit oscar more times than anyone oscar has ever faced in that first fight. And if you're saying that "mosley was a different fighter back then" than surely oscar was a different fighter he was "prime" practically undefeated when he faced mosley. Not some money hungry whore that Floyd faced. And in the second fight mosley was clearly hindered mentally or something by the added muscle and was only throwing one or two punches at a time not one fluid combo. I also thought Oscar won the fight. But nevertheless Shane got the decision. Much Like cotto over shane.

Oh I watched it more than enough to know that shane was hurting miguel much more than he was being hurt, thats why cotto was running the couple of rounds. Which also served as an indicator that he (cotto) probably would tire against Margarito.

what I don't understand is how you're one of the few alone with floyd and his lapdog ellerbe who doesn't think shane is deserving of mega fight. We can go on forever about who we think did better against who and when. But the fact of the matter is this:

SHANE MOSLEY as it stands is the number WW in the world PERIOD. Regardless of what he used to be. Even if he is a shell of the package he once was, the leftover version thoroughly dominated then kayoed the undisputed WW champ Antonio Margarito. No one else at WW can make that claim. Esp not Cotto.

[Taeth]

Manny landed nearly as many punches in 8 rounds as Mosley did in 11 in ODLH-Mosley I. Oscar wasn't at his prime, people get confused by the fact that he was faster, but his boxing skills, his right hand, his movement, his defense were all still undeveloped compared to later. If Mosley bulked up naturally then it would make sense that he would be slower, but due to the fact he used steriods he would have more quick twitch fiber and would be faster, the reason he didn't look as good is he started to wing punches, and guys like Oscar, Winky, and Forest realized he isn't a great outside fighter.

On another subject Cotto was affected more by Mosley's punches than vice virsa for the obvious reason, Mosley has 10x the chin he does, but it was clear to see who landing the harder punches, and Cotto forced Mosley to run as well, and while Cotto had a cut in his mouth, Mosley just plain backed off because Cotto was beating him to the punch, and landing a lot harder.

The reason Pacquiao and Mayweather shouldn't face Mosley before eachother and COtto is because it makes no sense, hardly anyone considers Mosley a better fighter than Cotto, and he can't draw the same crowd Cotto, PAcquiao, and Mayweather can. Mayweather is coming off two years of retirement, is Marquez not a valid come back fight? I didn't see people chewing Pavlik's ass off for fighting Rubio or Cotto for facing Michael Jennings. Marquez is one hell of a fighter to face for a comeback fight. I think personally MArquez is more dangerous for a guy like Mayweather, he's sharper, he's very fast, he will take a punch to land one, and he has good outside boxing skills. I see him taking Mayweather into deep waters in different ways than Mosley, but I think those waters are deeper. I think its harder to nullify Marquez than it is to nullify Mosley if Mayweather can't hurt MArquez.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Manny landed nearly as many punches in 8 rounds as Mosley did in 11 in ODLH-Mosley I. Oscar wasn't at his prime, people get confused by the fact that he was faster, but his boxing skills, his right hand, his movement, his defense were all still undeveloped compared to later. If Mosley bulked up naturally then it would make sense that he would be slower, but due to the fact he used steriods he would have more quick twitch fiber and would be faster, the reason he didn't look as good is he started to wing punches, and guys like Oscar, Winky, and Forest realized he isn't a great outside fighter.

On another subject Cotto was affected more by Mosley's punches than vice virsa for the obvious reason, Mosley has 10x the chin he does, but it was clear to see who landing the harder punches, and Cotto forced Mosley to run as well, and while Cotto had a cut in his mouth, Mosley just plain backed off because Cotto was beating him to the punch, and landing a lot harder.

The reason Pacquiao and Mayweather shouldn't face Mosley before eachother and COtto is because it makes no sense, hardly anyone considers Mosley a better fighter than Cotto, and he can't draw the same crowd Cotto, PAcquiao, and Mayweather can. Mayweather is coming off two years of retirement, is Marquez not a valid come back fight? I didn't see people chewing Pavlik's ass off for fighting Rubio or Cotto for facing Michael Jennings. Marquez is one hell of a fighter to face for a comeback fight. I think personally MArquez is more dangerous for a guy like Mayweather, he's sharper, he's very fast, he will take a punch to land one, and he has good outside boxing skills. I see him taking Mayweather into deep waters in different ways than Mosley, but I think those waters are deeper. I think its harder to nullify Marquez than it is to nullify Mosley if Mayweather can't hurt MArquez.

You have to be working for floyd or just..i don't know man...but dude are you seriously saying that oscar wasn't prime when fought mosley? And suggesting that floyd fought a better version? Dude by your logic about oscar not being prime when faced mosley means that oscar is a mediocre contender at best, because if he wasn't prime until after he fought shane that means his record according to you is

32-1 not prime with wins over JCCx2, Sweet PEA, Quartey, hernandez, leija, carr, camacho, campanaella, with only that controversial loss to tito...

7-5 (prime or post Mosley I) with wins over Gatti (please), Castelleijo, forbes, mayorga, vargas, campas, a bullshit decision over Sturm and two losses by way of stoppage?

In what world did he get better after he lost to Mosley?

and secondly, dude your punching power doesn't mean anything if its nullified by the opponents chin...your punching power in ring only counts if you HURT your opponent. And Mosley hurt Cotto more. Which brings me back to Mosley Kayoed Margarito with less punches landed than cotto, regardless of whether or not Margarito was able to get off or not. He was fucking stopped. He had never been stopped before. You say floyd zapped Baldomir's energy by making him miss? But he didn't stop him did he? Because he didn't have the power to. Cotto landed over one hundred more punches than shane against Tony and he still walked through them. Shane at 154 wobbled Winky, kayoed Vargas and Mayorga...Cotto hasn't stopped one fighter or even hurt an opponent with a granite chin since he's been at WW...

[rjj tszyu]

I would like to see Pac fight both Cotto and Mosley. But maybe he should fight Mosley first as he is older but I've just read the interview with Roach (below) and he is convinced he needs to fight someone under 30 to prove he has what it takes at 147.

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