Why is Mosley ranked higher than Cotto at welterweight?

[OumaFan]

The thing is I really don't think Cotto-Mosley could go either way. At best I could see Mosley getting a draw but that's a somewhat iffy card IMO. It was close but clear IMO. Even when Cotto was "running" late in the fight he still clearly won 2 of those rounds IMO.

[Kel]

The thing is I really don't think Cotto-Mosley could go either way. At best I could see Mosley getting a draw but that's a somewhat iffy card IMO. It was close but clear IMO. Even when Cotto was "running" late in the fight he still clearly won 2 of those rounds IMO.

It was a Cotto win for me, I am big fans of both guys but I have watched the fight at least 15 times and Cotto won it.

I'd like to see a rematch because Shane is staying active and seems to have found a lot of motivation.

[generalbulldog]

Cotto fought the best out there. The speculation on whether or nor Margarito used handwraps in that fight will always be there.

Cotto is a warrior, he got into a ring with a guy suspected of using illegal handwraps and he got into the ring with a guy known to be a HGH user.

HGH makes you just as good as you are in your athletic prime and in many cases better than you are in your athletic prime.

Mosley used the same sort of illegal drugs that Barry Bonds used. Barry Bonds was better in his late 30s using HGH than when he was natural and in his athletic prime, the same thing also applies to Roger Clemens.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Cotto fought the best out there. The speculation on whether or nor Margarito used handwraps in that fight will always be there.

Cotto is a warrior, he got into a ring with a guy suspected of using illegal handwraps and he got into the ring with a guy known to be a HGH user.

HGH makes you just as good as you are in your athletic prime and in many cases better than you are in your athletic prime.

Mosley used the same sort of illegal drugs that Barry Bonds used. Barry Bonds was better in his late 30s using HGH than when he was natural and in his athletic prime, the same thing also applies to Roger Clemens.

Enough with the mosley "cheated" bullshit...even the opponent in which he supposedly "used" them against, says he believes mosley to be innocent...on top of that, Mosley has never been fined or penalized for any wrong doing.

[generalbulldog]

Cotto fought the best out there. The speculation on whether or nor Margarito used handwraps in that fight will always be there.

Cotto is a warrior, he got into a ring with a guy suspected of using illegal handwraps and he got into the ring with a guy known to be a HGH user.

HGH makes you just as good as you are in your athletic prime and in many cases better than you are in your athletic prime.

Mosley used the same sort of illegal drugs that Barry Bonds used. Barry Bonds was better in his late 30s using HGH than when he was natural and in his athletic prime, the same thing also applies to Roger Clemens.

Enough with the mosley "cheated" bullshit...even the opponent in which he supposedly "used" them against, says he believes mosley to be innocent...on top of that, Mosley has never been fined or penalized for any wrong doing.

HGH is virtually undetectable by piss tests. Bonds, Clemens, Petitite weren't penalized for using HGH in baseball, that doesn't mean they did not cheat. HGH not only brings back your prime, but in many cases makes you faster, stronger, more durable than when you are in your physical prime.

If Mosley is so good and better than that certain opponent (De La Hoya) that he was accused of doping against, then why not try and beat him fair and square?

Mosley is no better than Margarito. They are one and the same.

And what are you Mosley Publicist?

[JonesJrMayweather]

Cotto fought the best out there. The speculation on whether or nor Margarito used handwraps in that fight will always be there.

Cotto is a warrior, he got into a ring with a guy suspected of using illegal handwraps and he got into the ring with a guy known to be a HGH user.

HGH makes you just as good as you are in your athletic prime and in many cases better than you are in your athletic prime.

Mosley used the same sort of illegal drugs that Barry Bonds used. Barry Bonds was better in his late 30s using HGH than when he was natural and in his athletic prime, the same thing also applies to Roger Clemens.

Enough with the mosley "cheated" bullshit...even the opponent in which he supposedly "used" them against, says he believes mosley to be innocent...on top of that, Mosley has never been fined or penalized for any wrong doing.

HGH is virtually undetectable by piss tests. Bonds, Clemens, Petitite weren't penalized for using HGH in baseball, that doesn't mean they did not cheat. HGH not only brings back your prime, but in many cases makes you faster, stronger, more durable than when you are in your physical prime.

If Mosley is so good and better than that certain opponent (De La Hoya) that he was accused of doping against, then why not try and beat him fair and square?

Mosley is no better than Margarito. They are one and the same.

And what are you Mosley Publicist?

Mosley supposedly used them in the second fight...he clearly beat de la hoya in the first fight. What I don't understand is if the man he "used" them against believes him to be innocent of wrong doing, why are you trying to make a case against him? I don't remember Oscar demanding a fair and square rematch or going public about it..oh wait he did go public..stating that he knows mosley and believes that he wouldn't cheat. So let it go dude.

[generalbulldog]

Enough with the mosley "cheated" bullshit...even the opponent in which he supposedly "used" them against, says he believes mosley to be innocent...on top of that, Mosley has never been fined or penalized for any wrong doing.

HGH is virtually undetectable by piss tests. Bonds, Clemens, Petitite weren't penalized for using HGH in baseball, that doesn't mean they did not cheat. HGH not only brings back your prime, but in many cases makes you faster, stronger, more durable than when you are in your physical prime.

If Mosley is so good and better than that certain opponent (De La Hoya) that he was accused of doping against, then why not try and beat him fair and square?

Mosley is no better than Margarito. They are one and the same.

And what are you Mosley Publicist?

Mosley supposedly used them in the second fight...he clearly beat de la hoya in the first fight. What I don't understand is if the man he "used" them against believes him to be innocent of wrong doing, why are you trying to make a case against him? I don't remember Oscar demanding a fair and square rematch or going public about it..oh wait he did go public..stating that he knows mosley and believes that he wouldn't cheat. So let it go dude.

For one thing if De La Hoya went out and didn't act or pretend to act all gracious it hurts his public image. There is a reason why he's called the "golden boy". the image the guy has to lived up to.

And it's not supposedly, Mosley admitted to a grand jury that was prosecuting the Balco Labs that he used HGH. It's not "supposedly".
Actually his bullshit excuse just like many other athletes that got caught doping was, "I didn't know what I was taking." That's the same bullshit excuse that when an athlete gets caught cheating is, "I didn't know." Same thing with Margarito using the excuse, "I didn't know my trainer did that to my wraps." Sounds familiar?

And HGH makes you stronger, faster, it increases your stamina, why do you think so many athletes use it? If Mosley is so much better than De La Hoya, why use it?

And one last thing, the guys that uses HGH are actually just as good in their late 30s or early 40s like they were in their physical prime.

It's kind of funny that a guy like Shane Mosley is just as fast, strong, durable, and has great stamina just like in his twenties. Shit we all know the reason.

[donnydarkoIRL]

HGH is virtually undetectable by piss tests. Bonds, Clemens, Petitite weren't penalized for using HGH in baseball, that doesn't mean they did not cheat. HGH not only brings back your prime, but in many cases makes you faster, stronger, more durable than when you are in your physical prime.

If Mosley is so good and better than that certain opponent (De La Hoya) that he was accused of doping against, then why not try and beat him fair and square?

Mosley is no better than Margarito. They are one and the same.

And what are you Mosley Publicist?

Human Growth Hormone does not bring back ones prime.
It merely induces a state of growth that allows the body to grow in mass and strength.

Shane Mosley in search of bigger purses, made the jump from Lightweight to Welterweight, bypassing the 140lb duivsion.
To help him do so, Mosley sought out BALCO. A pharmecutical company which had been affiliated with the success of other athletes such as Evander Holyfield and Marion Jones.
At this time Balco were seen to be a perfectly legitimate supplementation company which also came highly advised by Mosley's strength and conditioining coach.

Mosley underwent a course of "boosters" from BALCO before the ODLH fight.
To the best of Mosley's knowledge he was being administered "revolutionary" new supplements that would help him forge a legacy in the Welterweight division.
In reality BALCO injected Shane with HGH "the cream and the clear."

Upon testing Shane strongly denied accusations and even went as far as to file defamation claims. Investigations were ongoing, Mosley vehemently denied steroid usage.

When suited with the results Shane held his hands up and admitted that these substances were indeed found.
He then filed a suit against BALCO.


Shane utilised BALCO's products to gain size, hardly a massive injustice as he would have gained very little in terms of performance other than the bulk of a man at 147.

Shane to this day is injecting supplementation, although now I believe he is more guarded and utilises primarily anti-oxidants.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Fuk all the BALCO talk.

Cotto is good but Mosley is better. Yeah I know Mosley lost but IMO he fought the wrong fight; He was suprised by Cotto's boxing ability.

Cotto was on the back foot by the end of the fight. Forget he's excuses for why. The real reasons became apparent in the Margarito and Clottey fights.

Cotto isn't quite the warrior he'd have us all believe.

Mosley would K.O cotto in a Re-match.

Also, for the sake of this argument, id LOVE to see how Cotto handled a PRIME Dela Hoya at 147

[Nameless]

It is a very close call, I wouldn't use my time to argue with neither of the two camps actually so close it is and how arguments on each side are solid to some extend, I think that to this point, it has almost been a head or tail decision but what makes the difference, I think, is that Moseley is 38 and schooled in a tremendous way the dominant Margarito, I think that it could be what made the difference, an outrageous performance and a Cotto who fights with lackluster in his latest ones.

[Rantcatrat]

Bilbo, aside from the Nonito rant, Mosley has had a better career, but how can you argue his recent performances were any better than Cotto's? Cotto has faced all comers at welterweight and beat two of the three in the top three (Mosley and Clottey). Before the Margarito fight, Mosley had a completely lackluster fight with Mayorga where he arguably was winning by maybe one round, before the 12th.

Yeah i think that the WW division kind of Stood still when Floyd was about. Everyone wanted to fight him and no one really seemed to be fighting each other (if that makes sense).

Now that Manny Pacquiao has blown up in weight the same Welters, who for a while, were getting on with it in some great fights have seemed to be dragged back in to this equation of 'Who's gonna fight the P4P King'..

Fuk P4P. Mosley and Cotto are No.1 & 2 and thats a great reason, if any, for a rematch.

REMATCH BABY!!

Cotto didn't stand still. He fought every single fighter out there...and he still is doing same.

The Margarito win for Shane may indeed put him in the number one spot, but it is a tough call because Cotto beat Mosley and Clottey. Cotto should be number, for sure, if he beats Collazo, Berto, or Manny.

[JazMerkin]

Bilbo, aside from the Nonito rant, Mosley has had a better career, but how can you argue his recent performances were any better than Cotto's? Cotto has faced all comers at welterweight and beat two of the three in the top three (Mosley and Clottey). Before the Margarito fight, Mosley had a completely lackluster fight with Mayorga where he arguably was winning by maybe one round, before the 12th.

Yeah i think that the WW division kind of Stood still when Floyd was about. Everyone wanted to fight him and no one really seemed to be fighting each other (if that makes sense).

Now that Manny Pacquiao has blown up in weight the same Welters, who for a while, were getting on with it in some great fights have seemed to be dragged back in to this equation of 'Who's gonna fight the P4P King'..

Fuk P4P. Mosley and Cotto are No.1 & 2 and thats a great reason, if any, for a rematch.

REMATCH BABY!!

Cotto didn't stand still. He fought every single fighter out there...and he still is doing same.

The Margarito win for Shane may indeed put him in the number one spot, but it is a tough call because Cotto beat Mosley and Clottey. Cotto should be number, for sure, if he beats Collazo, Berto, or Manny.

I give credit to Cotto for fighting all-comers but he has NOT fought EVERY single fighter out there. Mosley, Clottey, Judah & Quintana are impressive, but really at least 2 of those guys should not be ranked there as they haven't fought at 147 in over a year. The fact is Cotto narrowly beat Mosley (I had it 115-114 for Cotto) & Clottey (114-113 Clottey), whilst Mosley decisively beat & KO'd Margarito, which was unthinkable beforehand, who made Cotto quit. Now, admittedly there are severe doubts over Margarito's win over Cotto by virtue of his gloves, but there are none over his chin, which Mosley broke, & Cotto threw all he had at & couldn't finish.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Bilbo, aside from the Nonito rant, Mosley has had a better career, but how can you argue his recent performances were any better than Cotto's? Cotto has faced all comers at welterweight and beat two of the three in the top three (Mosley and Clottey). Before the Margarito fight, Mosley had a completely lackluster fight with Mayorga where he arguably was winning by maybe one round, before the 12th.

Yeah i think that the WW division kind of Stood still when Floyd was about. Everyone wanted to fight him and no one really seemed to be fighting each other (if that makes sense).

Now that Manny Pacquiao has blown up in weight the same Welters, who for a while, were getting on with it in some great fights have seemed to be dragged back in to this equation of 'Who's gonna fight the P4P King'..

Fuk P4P. Mosley and Cotto are No.1 & 2 and thats a great reason, if any, for a rematch.

REMATCH BABY!!

Cotto didn't stand still. He fought every single fighter out there...and he still is doing same.

The Margarito win for Shane may indeed put him in the number one spot, but it is a tough call because Cotto beat Mosley and Clottey. Cotto should be number, for sure, if he beats Collazo, Berto, or Manny.

Mosley already beat Collazo and would have NO trouble beating ANY of Cotto's previous opponents.

[Majesty]

Margarito knocked out Cotto because his will was greater then Cotto's.

I admit i was just a little skeptical, but when I watched the Clottey fight and how Cotto was getting tagged constantly and busted up when he couldnt put Clottey away it became clear to me that if that was Margarito in there for a rematch Cotto would have been stopped again. I don't think Margarito would have even needed bricks to beat Cotto that night or when he fought Clottey. No disrespect to Cotto but he just doesn't seem to respond as well to pressure as he did when lesser fighters did it to him.