Can one really be ranked P4P when you demand catch weights?

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

IMHO if PAC was not succesful in destroying both ODLH and Hatton this catchweight topics will not even be brought up. Obviously alot of people is threatened by PAC. Give the guy a break he will lose too, sometime.

Good point and Oscar Pac wasn't even a catchweight fight! They fought at 147 lbs, a legit weight class.

A catchweight would have been between 147 and 154 and better for Oscar and for fightfans

This is where the pac thing gets weird and illogical for me. Okay Bilbo (or anyone else for that matter), since you're obviously an articulate individual. Please explain to me how it's okay for PACMAN to fight a man bigger than both Cotto and Mosley at their weight class, but not fight them at their own? If I didn't ask that clearly then I'll do it this way...

How does this makes sense:

PACMAN v OSCAR @ 154 (No! oscar too big must come down to 147)

PAC v COTTO or MOSLEY @ 147 (No! 147 too big must come down)

WTF !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? To me the answer is clear but I'll wait for your response.

''Cotto, just isn't allowed. Okay...? He just isn't.
Cotto is a monster at 147. It's not fair... Size matters.
I cant explain the physiology but it there you go.''

[JonesJrMayweather]

Good point and Oscar Pac wasn't even a catchweight fight! They fought at 147 lbs, a legit weight class.

A catchweight would have been between 147 and 154 and better for Oscar and for fightfans

This is where the pac thing gets weird and illogical for me. Okay Bilbo (or anyone else for that matter), since you're obviously an articulate individual. Please explain to me how it's okay for PACMAN to fight a man bigger than both Cotto and Mosley at their weight class, but not fight them at their own? If I didn't ask that clearly then I'll do it this way...

How does this makes sense:

PACMAN v OSCAR @ 154 (No! oscar too big must come down to 147)

PAC v COTTO or MOSLEY @ 147 (No! 147 too big must come down)

WTF !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? To me the answer is clear but I'll wait for your response.

''Cotto, just isn't allowed. Okay...? He just isn't.
Cotto is a monster at 147. It's not fair... Size matters.
I cant explain the physiology but it there you go.''

are you perhaps predicting Bilbo's explanation?...if so then I'm LMAO....

[Bilbo's Mom]

Ok first off curse all you disagreeing, I had to ask Saddo to boot me so I couldn't reply to this as I'm busy but I can't resist damnit

Let me answer these objections as best I can.

bzkfn said Catchweight fights for me are just another step of demeaning Boxing. We have too many world titles, too many weight divisions. The emphasis on being a 'world' champion doesn't mean much anymore.

No. What's demeaning boxing is that we have seemingly dozens of organisations with their own world title belts and upto 7 or 8 world title belts per division, including in some absurd cases two champions in the same organisation!

What's GREAT for boxing is when the alphabet paper champs get ignored and the BEST FIGHT THE BEST as in Pacquaio Cotto. Whether its for a paper belt or not who gives a shit! It's the FIGHT that counts!

@JonesJrMayweather, Ok so let's explain the Oscar thing. First off this was NOT NOT NOT NOT a catchweight fight. Oscar was a 154 lber and Manny a 135 lber. Manny agreed to jump two further weight classes whilst Oscar agreed to drop down one weight class. That's NOT a catchweight, the 147 lb weight division is a REAL division.

The fact that Oscar was weight drained is IRRELEVENT! What if Oscar had smashed Pacquiao like most were expecting? Would Manny have just moved up too high?

And please explain the logic of when a fight moves down a weight class its a catchweight fight and therefore fake bullshit but when a fighter moves up its not?

And what about the catchweight fight Hopkins vs Wright? Didn't everyone moan about that one being unfair to Wright because he had never fought above 160 and was too small for B Hop at 170lbs?

Didn't people at the time argue that B HOP should COME DOWN and fight at if not 160 then around 165 so it was fairer., YES THEY DID CHECK THE THREADS!!!!


Ok so now to the question why is it ok for Manny to fight Oscar at 147 and not Cotto or Mosely.

Well isn't obvious? All three fighters are much bigger than Manny. In a fight at either of their chosen weight classes it isn't a fair fight. Manny is a natural 135-140 lbs right that's his optimum weight so fighting these guys at THEIR optimum weight gives THEM an advantage.

So to level the playing the field a bit and allow these MEGA EVENTS, POSSIBLY BEST FIGHTS OF THE MILLENIUM!! to take place BOTH fighters have to give a little.

In Oscars case he moved down one weight class and Manny moved UP THREE! (not counting his brief water testing at lightweight)

In Mosely and Cotto's case Manny agrees to move up 3 or 4 lbs and they move down 3 or 4 lbs.

That's totally fair! And importantly it allows for these potential MEGA FIGHTS, AWESOME EVENTS WHICH EVERYONE WANTS TO SEE to take place when they OTHERWISE MIGHT NOT! How much clearer does it need to be?

(I apologise for the caps, they annoy me too, but I am an internet warrior and have no control over my frantic keyboard mashing bony fingers)