Yes or No Poll regarding Catchweights

[ICB]

Because besides Pacman fans no one likes Pacman. And the reason is their fans.

Of course this also applies to other fighter's fan base too. But that's the reason, a lot of people hate Pacman because of his fans so it's not okay for him to fight at a catchweight but other guys have.

You guys can blame yourself for it. Although a lot of boxing fans don't like Hatton and Khan also. Another uninformed fanbase.

Well i like and respect Manny Pacquiao, even though im a fan of JMM. I still admire the amount of balls Manny Pacquiao is showing taking all these fights, and i love his exciting style.

I can't really understand how anyone couldn't like Manny Pacquiao, obviously alot of his fans are going to go. Over the top because they haven't really got alot of sporting greats at the moment.

And thats no disrespect to the Filipino people, by the way and im no expert on your country. So if im wrong please tell me but thats what i think anyway.

So i now i've just learnt to excuse some of his fans, and just enjoy what a great fighter we have at the moment. I mean the amount of titles he's won at all those weightclasses is incredible.

You may not see a fighter like this for years or maybe even decades to come, so enjoy it while your in this era. And don't be silly enough to let the fans spoil your enjoyment for a fighter.

The Manny Pacquiaos aren't really that rare in my opinion. We tend to have a few in every decade of the sport. Roy Jones started his career at 154 and then went on to win every title in his division including one of the alphabet HW titles. Oscar won titles starting at 130 all the way to 160. Floyd won titles at 130 all the way to 154. Duran won titles as a LW all the way to middleweight.

Pacman has a good career, but nothing unique.

How many former Flyweight world champions, have gone on to compete at Welterweight ? i would say that is pretty rare because i can't think of a single boxer that has done that, that is incredible and im just glad im in this era to appreciate it.

[Bilbo's Mom]

Well i like and respect Manny Pacquiao, even though im a fan of JMM. I still admire the amount of balls Manny Pacquiao is showing taking all these fights, and i love his exciting style.

I can't really understand how anyone couldn't like Manny Pacquiao, obviously alot of his fans are going to go. Over the top because they haven't really got alot of sporting greats at the moment.

And thats no disrespect to the Filipino people, by the way and im no expert on your country. So if im wrong please tell me but thats what i think anyway.

So i now i've just learnt to excuse some of his fans, and just enjoy what a great fighter we have at the moment. I mean the amount of titles he's won at all those weightclasses is incredible.

You may not see a fighter like this for years or maybe even decades to come, so enjoy it while your in this era. And don't be silly enough to let the fans spoil your enjoyment for a fighter.

The Manny Pacquiaos aren't really that rare in my opinion. We tend to have a few in every decade of the sport. Roy Jones started his career at 154 and then went on to win every title in his division including one of the alphabet HW titles. Oscar won titles starting at 130 all the way to 160. Floyd won titles at 130 all the way to 154. Duran won titles as a LW all the way to middleweight.

Pacman has a good career, but nothing unique.

How many former Flyweight world champions, have gone on to compete at Welterweight ? i would say that is pretty rare because i can't think of a single boxer that has done that, that is incredible and im just glad im in this era to appreciate it.

Ice when Bilbo is back next week I promise as his mum to make sure he reps you for that good little post.

NO little fighter has done anything like Manny has done.

It makes me laugh that some will probably say in all seriousness that Ricardo Lopez is a better all time great than Manny with his domination of the world's smallest weight class and then moving up a single divison to win a belt at junior flyweight.

Manny has also started at 107 lbs and went on to win world titles at flyweight, bantamweight, S featherweight, Lightweight, junior welter and even ko'd a legend at welterweight but his career is 'good but not unique'

Even the great Roy Jones didn't when he moved up to heavy picked the worst paper belt holder and outpointed him, Manny went up the same number of weight classes, fought against the Ring Champ and sparked him in two rounds.

He's pretty special.

[Plopeater]

No

[ICB]

The Manny Pacquiaos aren't really that rare in my opinion. We tend to have a few in every decade of the sport. Roy Jones started his career at 154 and then went on to win every title in his division including one of the alphabet HW titles. Oscar won titles starting at 130 all the way to 160. Floyd won titles at 130 all the way to 154. Duran won titles as a LW all the way to middleweight.

Pacman has a good career, but nothing unique.

How many former Flyweight world champions, have gone on to compete at Welterweight ? i would say that is pretty rare because i can't think of a single boxer that has done that, that is incredible and im just glad im in this era to appreciate it.

Ice when Bilbo is back next week I promise as his mum to make sure he reps you for that good little post.

NO little fighter has done anything like Manny has done.

It makes me laugh that some will probably say in all seriousness that Ricardo Lopez is a better all time great than Manny with his domination of the world's smallest weight class and then moving up a single divison to win a belt at junior flyweight.

Manny has also started at 107 lbs and went on to win world titles at flyweight, bantamweight, S featherweight, Lightweight, junior welter and even ko'd a legend at welterweight but his career is 'good but not unique'

Even the great Roy Jones didn't when he moved up to heavy picked the worst paper belt holder and outpointed him, Manny went up the same number of weight classes, fought against the Ring Champ and sparked him in two rounds.

He's pretty special.

I totally agree as i said im not really a Manny Pacquiao fan, im a Juan Manuel Marquez fan. But you can't help just appreciate Manny Pacquiao, not only has he won all those titles at all those weightclasses.

Which is amazing in it self, he has also improved so much as a boxer. Which to me is one of the most impressive things about Manny Pacquiao. Its so hard to turn into a boxer, when most of your career your instinct as a fighter is of course to fight.

But now he has that under control, and he fights with controlled aggression. And he really is great to watch as boxer more so than he's old aggressive style IMO.

I don't really care what weightclass he is fighting Shane Mosley, Miguel Cotto, Floyd Mayweather Jr, at. Just managing to fight them is a feat in itself.

When me and many other members, thought it was ridiculous to even suggest that a fight could happen between any of those fighters. Now people are actually having a go at Manny Pacquiao, for not fighting them at there exact weight ?

When he is the smaller man ? i just find that laughable to be honest. As you said in another thread if they don't want to fight Manny Pacquiao, at 143 or whatever they don't have to take the fight do they ?

Its not like Manny Pacquiao is putting a gun to there head forcing them to do it, just like it wasn't Manny Pacquiao's fault ODLH drained himself. He still won the fight which many people thought he was out his depth, so what really else can he do ?

I don't think people are being realistic here, and i think Manny Pacquiao fighting any of those fighters is a feat in itself. People are too hard on Manny Pacquiao, i think he's done excellent to achieve what he has achieved. Truly a great a boxer and as i said im just glad to be a part of it. And by the way i'll send some rep your way on your Bilbo name.

[JT Rock]

Manny has also started at 107 lbs and went on to win world titles at flyweight, bantamweight, S featherweight, Lightweight, junior welter and even ko'd a legend at welterweight but his career is 'good but not unique'

Everyone gushes over Manny's strength and conditioning. The whole folklore of Manny starting out at 106 is a farce anyway. Big deal!! he was 16 when turned pro, not a fully developed adult. it is not uncommon for an human being to put on 40lbs in 14 years especially an elite athlete like Pac who is a blessed physical specimen.

When I was 16 I weighed about 150 lbs, I started weight training at 23 and put on about 35lbs of muscle in my peak. I wasnt incredibly bulky but extremely functional playing basketball 3x a week and softball once a week. I never used performance enhancers and didnt have the best strength and conditioning coaches money can buy and I would hardly brag about my genetics.. It was and still is a struggle to stay in tip top shape.

So if a middleclass kid with mediocre genetics can play with weights and compete in pickup basketball and softball games and train martial arts and gain 35lbs in that amount of time,I think a pro boxer with all the conditioning experts, supplements and trainers money can buy, could achieve the same.

By the way Floyd never pulled this shiit, he was called a cherry picker yet when moving up he didnt ask for bullshit demands.

[Bilbo's Mom]

Manny has also started at 107 lbs and went on to win world titles at flyweight, bantamweight, S featherweight, Lightweight, junior welter and even ko'd a legend at welterweight but his career is 'good but not unique'

Everyone gushes over Manny's strength and conditioning. The whole folklore of Manny starting out at 106 is a farce anyway. Big deal!! he was 16 when turned pro, not a fully developed adult. it is not uncommon for an human being to put on 40lbs in 14 years especially an elite athlete like Pac who is a blessed physical specimen.

When I was 16 I weighed about 150 lbs, I started weight training at 23 and put on about 35lbs of muscle in my peak. I wasnt incredibly bulky but extremely functional playing basketball 3x a week and softball once a week. I never used performance enhancers and didnt have the best strength and conditioning coaches money can buy and I would hardly brag about my genetics.. It was and still is a struggle to stay in tip top shape.

So if a middleclass kid with mediocre genetics can play with weights and compete in pickup basketball and softball games and train martial arts and gain 35lbs in that amount of time,I think a pro boxer with all the conditioning experts, supplements and trainers money can buy, could achieve the same.

By the way Floyd never pulled this shiit, he was called a cherry picker yet when moving up he didnt ask for bullshit demands.

There's a big difference in being able to put on 35lbs and through weight training and slowing metabolism and then being able to compete and dominate against guys who are naturally that size, surely you know that as well as me.

I'm a big fan of Floyd JT you know but he's right to get accused of cherry picking to an extent because of several reasons.

Firstly he's arguably the most arrogant man on the planet, the self proclaimed greatest of all time. When you hold your self in such high regard you raise the bar regarding how people will judge your claims. Manny on the other hand is incredibly humble.

Secondly Pacquiao has sought to fight the very best in each weight class and has destroyed prime p4p fighters, and he's for the most part done it in their own weight classes.

He boasts two wins over Barrera, two KO wins over Morales, a win over Marquez, a destruction of Ricky Hatton and a destruction of Oscar in which few felt he would win beforehand but now give him no credit at all. And he still wants to fight the best, Mosely, Cotto, Mayweather, all guys yet again bigger than himself.

Floyd meanwhile has carefully avoided the most significant challenges in most weight divisions or when he has fought them it has been on his terms.

Diego Coralles he forced to fight at superfeatherweight after Diego had moved up, so you could argue as weight drained as Oscar.

Castillo was a legit opponent although most think he lost the first time round.

Then he avoided all the best fighters in the other weight classe. He never went near Kosta Tyzsu, he didn't want anything to do with Shane Mosely, Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito and Miguel Cotto.

He forced Hatton up to him to fight at 147.

He DID beat Oscar at 154, Oscars weight class and that imo is Floyd's best win, a great achievement to go up so much above his natural weight and defeat a legend. But he was willing to meet Oscar's demands for the millions and millions he made from the fight. Every other opponent must face Floyd on HIS terms.

Please note I don't criticise for Floyd for this, it's smart.

I'm just saying that ask practically any unbiased fan who has the bigger balls between Manny Pacquaio and Floyd Mayweather and not many are saying Mayweather

[JT Rock]

Manny has also started at 107 lbs and went on to win world titles at flyweight, bantamweight, S featherweight, Lightweight, junior welter and even ko'd a legend at welterweight but his career is 'good but not unique'

Everyone gushes over Manny's strength and conditioning. The whole folklore of Manny starting out at 106 is a farce anyway. Big deal!! he was 16 when turned pro, not a fully developed adult. it is not uncommon for an human being to put on 40lbs in 14 years especially an elite athlete like Pac who is a blessed physical specimen.

When I was 16 I weighed about 150 lbs, I started weight training at 23 and put on about 35lbs of muscle in my peak. I wasnt incredibly bulky but extremely functional playing basketball 3x a week and softball once a week. I never used performance enhancers and didnt have the best strength and conditioning coaches money can buy and I would hardly brag about my genetics.. It was and still is a struggle to stay in tip top shape.

So if a middleclass kid with mediocre genetics can play with weights and compete in pickup basketball and softball games and train martial arts and gain 35lbs in that amount of time,I think a pro boxer with all the conditioning experts, supplements and trainers money can buy, could achieve the same.

By the way Floyd never pulled this shiit, he was called a cherry picker yet when moving up he didnt ask for bullshit demands.

There's a big difference in being able to put on 35lbs and through weight training and slowing metabolism and then being able to compete and dominate against guys who are naturally that size, surely you know that as well as me.

I'm a big fan of Floyd JT you know but he's right to get accused of cherry picking to an extent because of several reasons.

Firstly he's arguably the most arrogant man on the planet, the self proclaimed greatest of all time. When you hold your self in such high regard you raise the bar regarding how people will judge your claims. Manny on the other hand is incredibly humble.

Secondly Pacquiao has sought to fight the very best in each weight class and has destroyed prime p4p fighters, and he's for the most part done it in their own weight classes.

He boasts two wins over Barrera, two KO wins over Morales, a win over Marquez, a destruction of Ricky Hatton and a destruction of Oscar in which few felt he would win beforehand but now give him no credit at all. And he still wants to fight the best, Mosely, Cotto, Mayweather, all guys yet again bigger than himself.

Floyd meanwhile has carefully avoided the most significant challenges in most weight divisions or when he has fought them it has been on his terms.

Diego Coralles he forced to fight at superfeatherweight after Diego had moved up, so you could argue as weight drained as Oscar.

Castillo was a legit opponent although most think he lost the first time round.

Then he avoided all the best fighters in the other weight classe. He never went near Kosta Tyzsu, he didn't want anything to do with Shane Mosely, Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito and Miguel Cotto.

He forced Hatton up to him to fight at 147.

He DID beat Oscar at 154, Oscars weight class and that imo is Floyd's best win, a great achievement to go up so much above his natural weight and defeat a legend. But he was willing to meet Oscar's demands for the millions and millions he made from the fight. Every other opponent must face Floyd on HIS terms.

Please note I don't criticise for Floyd for this, it's smart.

I'm just saying that ask practically any unbiased fan who has the bigger balls between Manny Pacquaio and Floyd Mayweather and not many are saying Mayweather

Thats my point Manny size is his size the fact that he turned pro 3-4 years earlier than most before complete physical maturity shows what really, dont you think a good percentage of guys currently at 140 gained 34lbs in 16 years?
The above bolded comment carries no relevance what so ever.

I'll gladly give reverence to the Floyd ducking argument if you could do me a favor and provide a timeline, complete with schedules and line up were those fights could have been made taking into consideration Mosely, Cotto, Margarito and Williams previous engagements

To my knowledge Floyd made 2 challenges to Mosely in the past and he declined

Floyd declined Margarito(Who nobody knew at the time and was as marketable as the flu) in lieu of fighting the Ring recognized Welterweight champ.

Cotto was fighting Judah while Mayweather was fighting Delahoya.. Gee thats a no brainer finance wise.. I dare someone to argue that

Cotto was fighting Mosely, while Floyd was fighting Ricky Hatton in a fight that was one of the most talked about for 3 years on this forum and everyone wanted to see and speculated about. The fact that Floyd made another blockbuster payday.

Williams just started to catch steam 1-2 years ago and was still considered an untested prospect who was scheduled to fight Margarito 2 months after Floyd beat Oscar.

Then he retired after waging to huge blockbuster fights and promotions with gruling travel. Not to mention achieving cross over appeal. He rested and now he is back

Where is the duck?

[CGM]

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I'm just saying that ask practically any unbiased fan who has the bigger balls between Manny Pacquaio and Floyd Mayweather and not many are saying Mayweather

haha perhaps this should be moved to the Manny Pacquaio forum now.

[JT Rock]

Well i like and respect Manny Pacquiao, even though im a fan of JMM. I still admire the amount of balls Manny Pacquiao is showing taking all these fights, and i love his exciting style.

I can't really understand how anyone couldn't like Manny Pacquiao, obviously alot of his fans are going to go. Over the top because they haven't really got alot of sporting greats at the moment.

And thats no disrespect to the Filipino people, by the way and im no expert on your country. So if im wrong please tell me but thats what i think anyway.

So i now i've just learnt to excuse some of his fans, and just enjoy what a great fighter we have at the moment. I mean the amount of titles he's won at all those weightclasses is incredible.

You may not see a fighter like this for years or maybe even decades to come, so enjoy it while your in this era. And don't be silly enough to let the fans spoil your enjoyment for a fighter.

The Manny Pacquiaos aren't really that rare in my opinion. We tend to have a few in every decade of the sport. Roy Jones started his career at 154 and then went on to win every title in his division including one of the alphabet HW titles. Oscar won titles starting at 130 all the way to 160. Floyd won titles at 130 all the way to 154. Duran won titles as a LW all the way to middleweight.

Pacman has a good career, but nothing unique.

How many former Flyweight world champions, have gone on to compete at Welterweight ? i would say that is pretty rare because i can't think of a single boxer that has done that, that is incredible and im just glad im in this era to appreciate it.

Didnt SRR start at Welter and below and was competing at 175? doing quite well until he wilted in the heat

[ICB]

The Manny Pacquiaos aren't really that rare in my opinion. We tend to have a few in every decade of the sport. Roy Jones started his career at 154 and then went on to win every title in his division including one of the alphabet HW titles. Oscar won titles starting at 130 all the way to 160. Floyd won titles at 130 all the way to 154. Duran won titles as a LW all the way to middleweight.

Pacman has a good career, but nothing unique.

How many former Flyweight world champions, have gone on to compete at Welterweight ? i would say that is pretty rare because i can't think of a single boxer that has done that, that is incredible and im just glad im in this era to appreciate it.

Didnt SRR start at Welter and below and was competing at 175? doing quite well until he wilted in the heat

Yes but SRR was 157 which is impressive because he was still competing, as the much smaller man but still technically he was still a Middleweight. But you've just proved my point bro how long ago was that ? that basically proves me point, that there isn't many boxers that come around to often like Manny Pacquiao.

[Bilbo's Mom]

The Manny Pacquiaos aren't really that rare in my opinion. We tend to have a few in every decade of the sport. Roy Jones started his career at 154 and then went on to win every title in his division including one of the alphabet HW titles. Oscar won titles starting at 130 all the way to 160. Floyd won titles at 130 all the way to 154. Duran won titles as a LW all the way to middleweight.

Pacman has a good career, but nothing unique.

How many former Flyweight world champions, have gone on to compete at Welterweight ? i would say that is pretty rare because i can't think of a single boxer that has done that, that is incredible and im just glad im in this era to appreciate it.

Didnt SRR start at Welter and below and was competing at 175? doing quite well until he wilted in the heat

No. He was a briliant superb welterweight, a very good middleweight, although he lost his belt 4 times so hardly unbeatable and was 0-1 as light heavyweight suffering a TKO, why is irelevent, he still quit on his stool and lost by knockout.

And Sugar Ray is considered the best of all times, a pretty significant person to compare Pac too, he mixes in high company according to you to that's nice to see