Can one really be ranked P4P when you demand catch weights?

[Bilbo's Mom]

Manny came in weighing at 148 pounds against Hatton on fight night. I think this can be easily solved if there is a limit to rehydration. Let's say 157 on fight night is the limit, which would be fair compared to some of these welterweights who come in at 170 pounds on fight night like Clottey did against Corrales a few years ago.

You can't put a limit on rehydration, firstly no such provision exists, the weigh in is two days or in some cases a day before the fight, there is no official second weigh in just before the fight.

Secondly if they tried to put a second weigh in just prior to the fight it would totally unworkable. You can't cancel a fight when the fighter is in his dressing room ready to tape up after he's already made the weigh in two days before!

Thirdly it would be dangerous to put a limit on rehydration as fighters need to be properly rehydrated before they fight.

A catchweight of 143 or 144 is clearly the fairest solution (and Manny may yet just fight at 147 anyway).

It puts a limit on his opponents whole training camp in a sense, as it means they can't bulk up. 3 lbs isn't going to drain them so they are a shell like some seem to think, it would just impose some limits on them and prevent them from using their natural size advantage in the ring.

It's completely simple logic.

If a 135 lb man fights a 147 lb man (we are talking fighting weights not walking around weights) of equal talent and ability the 147 lb man will win because he has around a 10 percent bodyweight advantage, that is a hell of a lot at these weights.

Therefore if the 147 lb man agrees to weigh 143 or 144 lbs the advantage of bodyweight is reduced. It becomes a fairer fight.

Nobody is talking about massive weight loss and being forced to fight in a division too light like Oscar did, we are talking about catchweight, an agreed weight between the two divisions its a perfect solution.

In relation to other people's argument. The weight division and titles are to all intents and purposes irelevent. Neither fighter is fighting to win a belt any more, they have already conquered the traditional divisions and won world titles. Now they are moving on beyond that to fight the best p4p fighters, other great fighters who fight in different weight classes. And that is the key, as they fight in different weight classes and its to the other's great advantage if one moves to the their weight class, they agree a catchweight and fight on nuetral ground.

The titles and weight classes no longer matter in this case because they are not fighting for them. Manny is the worlds best 140 lb fighter, Cotto is arguably the best 147 lb fighter so they battle, on neutral ground at 144.

It's an ideal solution, who cares if its for a world title or not, its no longer about that, these fighters are bigger than the belts now, they are fighting for p4p rights.

[The Congressman]

Bilbo's mom is kicking butt. Lol

[GAME]

All the greats in the history of the sport have moved up through the divisions and havent demanded that their opponents come in weight drained. I dont see whats so special about Pac.

[Bilbo's Mom]

All the greats in the history of the sport have moved up through the divisions and havent demanded that their opponents come in weight drained. I dont see whats so special about Pac.

Name me three other fighters in history who moved up 8 WEIGHT CLASSES from where they started their careers then fought the BEST opponent in that weight class and won?

Just three names all of boxing history will suffice, then you can see how special Pac is.

[Dr. Steelhammer]

If Pac is not special, then what makes Marco Antonio Barrera then?

[GAME]

If Pac is not special, then what makes Marco Antonio Barrera then?

Barrera beat undefeated fighters in their prime like Morales and Nas. Pac doesnt fight prime fighters

Its like saying Mcbride beat Tyson so he must be better

[GAME]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnAn6FvSVc4

lol

[GAME]

All the greats in the history of the sport have moved up through the divisions and havent demanded that their opponents come in weight drained. I dont see whats so special about Pac.

Name me three other fighters in history who moved up 8 WEIGHT CLASSES from where they started their careers then fought the BEST opponent in that weight class and won?

Just three names all of boxing history will suffice, then you can see how special Pac is.

Ray Leonard, Oscar and Duran. Oscar went from superfeater to middleweight champ and he wasnt fighting guys coming off losses like Pac either.

Pac fought a washed up Barrera coming off a loss and the commentary scored it for Barrera. Everytime Pac met Morales, Erik was coming off a loss and Erik beat him once aswel. Then he meets Oscar at the end of his career who had moved down from middleweight . He had no energy in round 1 and Pac still couldnt drop him and it took 9 rounds of non stop punching without Oscar punching back. Then Pac meets another Floyd Mayweather leftover in Hatton.

The last time Pac met fighters on teh way up instead of the way down in was Sungursat and Torrencamp and both men knocked Pac clean out in 3 easy rounds. FACT

[Bilbo's Mom]

All the greats in the history of the sport have moved up through the divisions and havent demanded that their opponents come in weight drained. I dont see whats so special about Pac.

Name me three other fighters in history who moved up 8 WEIGHT CLASSES from where they started their careers then fought the BEST opponent in that weight class and won?

Just three names all of boxing history will suffice, then you can see how special Pac is.

Ray Leonard, Oscar and Duran. Oscar went from superfeater to middleweight champ and he wasnt fighting guys coming off losses like Pac either.

Pac fought a washed up Barrera coming off a loss and the commentary scored it for Barrera. Everytime Pac met Morales, Erik was coming off a loss and Erik beat him once aswel. Then he meets Oscar at the end of his career who had moved down from middleweight . He had no energy in round 1 and Pac still couldnt drop him and it took 9 rounds of non stop punching without Oscar punching back. Then Pac meets another Floyd Mayweather leftover in Hatton.

The last time Pac met fighters on teh way up instead of the way down in was Sungursat and Torrencamp and both men knocked Pac clean out in 3 easy rounds. FACT

haha 3 names all WRONG!

When did Oscar fight the BEST middleweight at their weight?

He fought Bernard AT A CATCHWEIGHT AND GOT KNOCKED OUT

Then he fought Felix Sturm, a paper belt holder and lost by virtually every fans scorecard.


Ray Leonard won the light heavy title AT A CATCHWEIGHT

NONE OF THEM WENT THROUGH 8 DIVISION.

DURAN LOST TO HAGLER,

[GAME]

Name me three other fighters in history who moved up 8 WEIGHT CLASSES from where they started their careers then fought the BEST opponent in that weight class and won?

Just three names all of boxing history will suffice, then you can see how special Pac is.

Ray Leonard, Oscar and Duran. Oscar went from superfeater to middleweight champ and he wasnt fighting guys coming off losses like Pac either.

Pac fought a washed up Barrera coming off a loss and the commentary scored it for Barrera. Everytime Pac met Morales, Erik was coming off a loss and Erik beat him once aswel. Then he meets Oscar at the end of his career who had moved down from middleweight . He had no energy in round 1 and Pac still couldnt drop him and it took 9 rounds of non stop punching without Oscar punching back. Then Pac meets another Floyd Mayweather leftover in Hatton.

The last time Pac met fighters on teh way up instead of the way down in was Sungursat and Torrencamp and both men knocked Pac clean out in 3 easy rounds. FACT

haha 3 names all WRONG!

When did Oscar fight the BEST middleweight at their weight?

He fought Bernard AT A CATCHWEIGHT AND GOT KNOCKED OUT

Then he fought Felix Sturm, a paper belt holder and lost by virtually every fans scorecard.


Ray Leonard won the light heavy title AT A CATCHWEIGHT

NONE OF THEM WENT THROUGH 8 DIVISION.

DURAN LOST TO HAGLER,

Lol thats rich coming from a pacfan when you consider everyone thinks Marquez dominated Pac both times.

So Diaz was the best lighhtweight was he . You guys make me laugh