Should Pacquaio get credit for beating Cotto at 145

[Bilbo's Mom]

Any fighter should get credit for beating another fighter 5+ pounds heavier than him at fight night.

Chagaev must have recived major props then for beating Valuev

This is really so simply to understand.....

If two fighters are of equal ability but one is bigger than because all other factors are even the bigger guy will win.

However if one fighter is vastly better than the other fighter but the other fighter is bigger then the smaller but better fighter will still likely win because he better everywhere else.

It's a simple equation.

Manny beating Cotto is a much much much bigger deal than Chagaev beating Valuev because Valuev is inferior in every single regard to Cotto other than size.

Manny would be beating a bigger and also elite fighter.

Chagaev beat a bigger but mediocre fighter.

How is that hard to understand?

[Rantcatrat]

Agree with Bilbo. Manny should get full credit for beating Cotto at 145.

[mnmc10]

i grasped the catchweight idea from the very first time bilbo explained it.



wrong board this should be at the pac thread or is the pac thread made for spam only? no really?

[GAME]

Everything to do with Pac should be on that other forum theyve had to make on here to keep the idiots away from discusiing boxing with real boxing fans

[Gandalf]

No, he should not recieve full credit. Now if he was to fight Cotto at 147 with none of these phoney strings attached I would give him full credit for the win. Manny is looking for big money fights whilst trying to avoid risk by bringing WW's down from their optimum fighting weights. There are no more big money fights at 140 for him so he is trying on this tactic.

I refuse to give him much credit for that kind of carry on.

[Bilbo's Mom]

No, he should not recieve full credit. Now if he was to fight Cotto at 147 with none of these phoney strings attached I would give him full credit for the win. Manny is looking for big money fights whilst trying to avoid risk by bringing WW's down from their optimum fighting weights. There are no more big money fights at 140 for him so he is trying on this tactic.

I refuse to give him much credit for that kind of carry on.

Miles you are simply wrong mate.

Had Oscar beaten Hopkins you wouldn't have credited him with that win?

As he lost, does that mean he's fucking useless as Hopkins must surely have been weight drained at 158 lbs and Oscar still got knocked out?

What about Hopkins win over Tarver? Tarver had just dropped down from heavyweight, Hopkins just beat a shell?

What about Pavlik losing to Hopkins? That fight was at a catchweight of 170 lbs. Pavlik was dominated by a weight drained Hopkins who gave up double the amount of weight than the two pounds Cotto might have to.

What about Joe Calzaghe's win over Hopkins? That was fought at 173 lbs so again Hopkins was weight drained. Why didn't they fight at the full 175 limit, does Calzaghe get no credit for that win?

I honestly think you guys are just letting your hate overtake your common sense.

[Gandalf]

No, he should not recieve full credit. Now if he was to fight Cotto at 147 with none of these phoney strings attached I would give him full credit for the win. Manny is looking for big money fights whilst trying to avoid risk by bringing WW's down from their optimum fighting weights. There are no more big money fights at 140 for him so he is trying on this tactic.

I refuse to give him much credit for that kind of carry on.

Miles you are simply wrong mate.

Had Oscar beaten Hopkins you wouldn't have credited him with that win?

As he lost, does that mean he's fucking useless as Hopkins must surely have been weight drained at 158 lbs and Oscar still got knocked out?

What about Hopkins win over Tarver? Tarver had just dropped down from heavyweight, Hopkins just beat a shell?

What about Pavlik losing to Hopkins? That fight was at a catchweight of 170 lbs. Pavlik was dominated by a weight drained Hopkins who gave up double the amount of weight than the two pounds Cotto might have to.

What about Joe Calzaghe's win over Hopkins? That was fought at 173 lbs so again Hopkins was weight drained. Why didn't they fight at the full 175 limit, does Calzaghe get no credit for that win?

I honestly think you guys are just letting your hate overtake your common sense.

I'm not clouded by hate in the slightest. I just happen to like the divisions we have and don't see the purpose nor point in having fighters not fighting at the given weights. If a 140 fighter is unable to get up to 147 then why should another fighter come down to a catchweight just to give the other guy more of a shot at pulling out the win. It's a lame move and I fail to see any merit in it.

Anyway, this thread is talking about Pac against Cotto, so in this situation I see NO reason why Manny couldn't find Cotto at 147 pounds. Why even bother having negotiations trying to buy Manny a more favourable weight deal? If he can't deal with the weight then piss off and fight a 140 fighter.

It's a simple logic.

[mad_takamura]

Everything to do with Pac should be on that other forum theyve had to make on here to keep the idiots away from discusiing boxing with real boxing fans

it just puzzles me why posers like you who calls other posters "idiots" and don't have a decent boxing analysis or opinion gets a positive rep! if you don't wanna see the name 'pac' then don't go to a thread with the name 'pac'.

[The Congressman]

It's pretty obvious GAME hates Pac cuz he's still sourgraping from the defeats that Pac gave to his boy Barrera.

[Steelie]

A win over Cotto at any weight deserves mucho respect.

[GAME]

It's pretty obvious GAME hates Pac cuz he's still sourgraping from the defeats that Pac gave to his boy Barrera.

Wow he beat a washed up Barrera and washed up Morales and washed up Oscar . Has Pac ever met a prime fighter? He talks of fighting Cotto but wants him to starve himself first . The only two prime guys he fought he got knocked out by . Fact

it just puzzles me why posers like you who calls other posters "idiots" and don't have a decent boxing analysis or opinion gets a positive rep! if you don't wanna see the name 'pac' then don't go to a thread with the name 'pac'

Thats my point that you lot should stick to your own forum and people who wana talk boxing should post on these boards. Why do you think that new forum has been made? Cuz you guys ruin every thread wherever you go.