Should Pacquaio get credit for beating Cotto at 145

[Rantcatrat]

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Wow he beat a washed up Barrera and washed up Morales and washed up Oscar . Has Pac ever met a prime fighter? He talks of fighting Cotto but wants him to starve himself first . The only two prime guys he fought he got knocked out by . Fact

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Marquez.

Hatton was pretty much in his prime. Prior to Pac, his only loss was against PBF, p4p #1, and before that he beat a string of top junior welterweights. Hatton was universally acknowledged as #1 at junior welterweight. He had never lost a match at that weight and fought pretty much all-comers.

i like lumpia and chicken adobo as much as the next guy, but I'm by no means a pac groupie.

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Marquez.

Hatton was pretty much in his prime. Prior to Pac, his only loss was against PBF, p4p #1, and before that he beat a string of top junior welterweights. Hatton was universally acknowledged as #1 at junior welterweight. He had never lost a match at that weight and fought pretty much all-comers.

And I'm not a Pac groupie by any means.

Hatton was hardly in his prime. Colin Hart reckons he has steadily been in decline since the beat Tszyu. Since the KO loss to Floyd Hatton struggled badly with a washed up Lazcano and was hurt in that fight . Proof enough he shoudl have retired way back then but he went on regardless like too many fighters do. For Pacfans to suggest that Hatton was in his prime post the Lazcano fight and Floyd KO loss is just laughable. Its like me saying Pac was in his prime when he got beat by Torrencampo.

[Rantcatrat]

Marquez.

Hatton was pretty much in his prime. Prior to Pac, his only loss was against PBF, p4p #1, and before that he beat a string of top junior welterweights. Hatton was universally acknowledged as #1 at junior welterweight. He had never lost a match at that weight and fought pretty much all-comers.

And I'm not a Pac groupie by any means.

Hatton was hardly in his prime. Colin Hart reckons he has steadily been in decline since the beat Tszyu. Since the KO loss to Floyd Hatton struggled badly with a washed up Lazcano and was hurt in that fight . Proof enough he shoudl have retired way back then but he went on regardless like too many fighters do. For Pacfans to suggest that Hatton was in his prime post the Lazcano fight and Floyd KO loss is just laughable. Its like me saying Pac was in his prime when he got beat by Torrencampo.

Woah there hater. I thought I specifically said I wasn't a Pacman groupie. Don't include me in that group, Por Favor.

Either you are confusing peak with prime or, in addition to Pac, you have contempt for Hatton and his accomplishments too.

Hatton reached his zenith with his win over Tszyu because he never gave a better performance, but he was still in solid fighting shape when he fought Pacquiao. Maybe slightly passed his prime, but not significantly passed it as you seem to suggest. Recall that Hatton was 25 when he fought Tszyu. After Tszyu, Hatton beat Maussa, Urango, Collazo, and Castillo. Needless to say, Urango and Collazo have gone on to solid fights against the world's best at or around that weight class. How many other junior welterweights could put together that string of victories like Hatton? He wasn't universally regarded as #1 in that weight class for no reason. Sure he looked rusty when he fought Lazcano, but it makes sense because he was coming off his first ever knock out, let alone defeat. Most fighters do.

[Rantcatrat]

What I meant was that being in your prime isn't for just one fight. The Tszyu fight was definitely Hatton's greatest win, but he had many good ones afterward while he was still in his prime.

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. . . hang on there loser. Hatton hasnt looked good in years. Paulie was a guy who had zero punch power so if we remove that non event from the list then he has shown that he peaked years ago.

If you want to make that out to be a great win then go ahead but it depends how much you rate Hatton. Ive never thought much of him but I dont think as much of Pac as the Filipinos do either.

[JazMerkin]

Whilst Pacquiao trying to drain WWs for fights is a disgrace, his win over Hatton was phenomenal. Yes Hatton fought like an amatuer, but Pacquiao still beat the man at 140 in 2 rounds. Do I think Hatton was never the same post-PBF? Yes. Do I think he fought a stupid fight & ignored his corner? Yes. Does that take anything away from Manny? No. He did what he needed to do.

Also as much as someone can question his wins over past it versions of Morales & ODLH, he fought 2 very close fights with JMM. I felt he lost both, but he still made them both as close as can be & deserves respect for that.

& no way was Barrera shot when he first lost to Pac, he still managed to pull out one of his best performances against Morales in their 3rd fight a year later so no way was he washed up then.

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