NAAZIM RiCHARDSON "How in the hell was he making 130&135? Pacquiao is a big dude"

[Julius Rain]

Like a typical pac fan you're completely missing the point... if Floyd Mayweather was asking the likes of Oscar for catchweights than you'd all lose your minds... such is the mayweather double standard.

Like I've already said... this is competitive sport so you can throw 'fair' out of the window. If the other guy isn't allowed to be bigger or stronger than I'm not really sure how it can be considered competitive...

That's sort of like saying all Formula one drivers have to stay at 60mph the whole time so that I stand a chance in my ford focus isn't it? Should I be fully (here's the thing, I'm not saying he deserves NO credit here...)
Is it really hard to admit that at this point in his career pac man wants the biggest fights possible to make as much money as possible. If he just wanted to get into the mix with all the guys at 147 then he wouldn't be talking about catchweights... like I say he holds all the cards so other fighters will be willing to do it... and hey if people buy into it then more power to pac.

if he was solely bothered about getting the credit for beating the top guys from 147 he would be fighting them at 147... I'm not even knocking him for it, it's good buisiness (which is exactly what this is).

Whilst he may not be doing it as badly as Floyd does I just don't see why the same people who critise Floyd for picking the right fighter, at the right time and at the right weight will so easily buy into what Pac is doing.

Floyd is all about earning money now... and whilst Pac isn't as bad as Floyd is, the way he is being managed now is all about the marquee names and earning... fair play to him but nobody is even going to say shit about it. Like I said I don't think he deserves NO credit... or that it's completely 'unfair'... but Pac is being shrewd about what he is doing cos he wants to fight big names with out getting knocked out... that's why he's been throwing catchweights left right and centre... and I don't see why nobody can even acknowledge it.

And please tell me you could see how fucked ODLH was...

god what the hell is the matter with you people, your comparing pac to what floyd has done? first of how many fights has floyd had at junior welter and welterweight? then ask yourself how many has pac had?

pac and oscar were 3 division apart, both fighters wanted the fight so both took the risk of leaving their division. its easy to say oh pac and his camp plotted to weight drain oscar in that fight, but you people were the same fools who said before that fight pac would get killed.

so you people dont want pac to fight the best fighters near his division if pac does not fight them in those fighters division? Seriously the oscar fight tramatise you people. Now even you guys believe what pac is capapble of in all these division.

To compare pac to floyd takes so much away from pac, floyd is a welterweight fighting a guy below his division. pac is fighting a fighter floyd wants no part of above pacs division. pac actually fought hatton in hattons division not in a division hatton had huge problems in.

Negotiation is part of boxing, your talking about throwing the word fair out the window well before they even get in the ring agreements are being made. If both fighters agree to a catchweight, so be it. Still risky for BOTH fighters not just one, just a year ago you'll the same people that said pac has no business in with the likes of these welterweights in any weight. Now its unfair if pac fights them in a catchweight? which current fights made you'll change your mind? the oscar one? you guys dont actually believe cotto is as old and as uncapable as oscar is at this time do you?

Sure oscar looked like shit in that fight, but hey he took that risk for the money. Now cotto is taking the same risk, but i doubt he'll look as bad as oscar cause pac can't possibly be that good can he? hell pac is risking losing his best feats; speed power etc everytime his above his division.

[AdamGB]

lol... calm down... I've said countless times that I like Pac. You're coming off as a bit of a hysterical fanboy here.

Everything that you're saying is moot... We're not talkin about how fights are made, what Floyd as done at weights or anything.

Simply Pac's behaviour... If Oscar De La Hoya was fine at 145 then why does Cotto have to come down lower than that?

As much as you like Pac can you honestly not see why Oscar would be an okay fight for Pac at 145-147 but Cotto or Mosely wouldn't? it's because they would find it easier to make that weight so they wouldn't be drained.

The Oscar fight didn't traumatise anybody... I'm a neutral boxing fan... I like Cotto... I like Pac and I like Oscar... there's no agenda to what I'm saying... I'm just calling it how I see it... not trying to take pac down because I don't like him for some odd reason.

I have no fandom or agenda, clearly you don't.

[OumaFan]

I suspect the 143 thing will turn out to be part of the negotiations and it will end up at 145 and then people can make up their minds about how much of an accomplishment a win would be based on how fresh Cotto looks.

If it ends up at 143 first Cotto is a bad negotiator or he's a much smaller 147 pounder than I thought and second Pacquaio will deserve the criticism he gets. I've defended 145 as I don't think its too much of a stretch for Cotto and people forget the other side of the story which is Pacquaio is simply smaller than these 147 pound guys, he won't even weigh 145 I suspect. But 143 would be too much. But I don't think it will happen just like I didn't think he was ducking Hatton which was the majority opinion around here at the time. But if it does it would be a disappointment.