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    Default Re: Truth is stranger than fiction - The Sarah Palin Chronicles

    Quote Originally Posted by VanChilds View Post
    Not competition between insurers Kirk, competition between doctors. Because most Americans only pay a co-pay neither them or their doctors can tell you what an ordinary office visit actually costs. There is no mechanism in place causing doctors or hospitals to compete with each other and provide the same service but for a cheaper price.

    The cap on malpractice suits is not a major factor but it simply meets a complaint by doctors. When they cant bitch about it anymore then they have no excuse. It also is a bipartisan issue. Both parties are full of lawyers and the ABA lobbys both.

    Nobody is forced to get a specific treatment here. If someone has a serious illness and doesnt take the time to research it and get multiple opinions then they are equally to blame for the service they get

    I agree though, more comparative research is imperative. Ultimately I want to decide what kind of treatment I get though not the government. Those steps I mentioned were simply the first to be take in health care reform. The US is moving towards single payer system of some type whether Lyle and I like it or not, but a sudden dramatic shift is the wrong answer. It will take a long time and several changes for the US to get a system that is best for its citizens.
    You're not going to get any competition in the system while it's dominated by half a dozen big companies who all have local monopolies.

    The GOP use malpractice suits to blame lawyers for inflating medical bills when in actuality it's only a tiny amount of overall healthcare costs. The issue is a red herring.

    Nobody is going to be forced to have a specific treatment, they're just going to have cheaper more effective treatments advocated over useless superexpensive treatments.

    Sarah Palin already started her non-GOP base outreach. She's definitely thinking ahead :

    Brushing aside the criticisms of pundits and politicos, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin said she plans to jump immediately back into the national political fray — stumping for conservative issues and even Democrats — after she prematurely vacates her elected post at month's end. The former Republican vice-presidential nominee and heroine to much of the GOP's base said in an interview she views the electorate as embattled and fatigued by nonstop partisanship, and she is eager to campaign for Republicans, independents and even Democrats who share her values on limited government, strong defense and "energy independence."
    "I will go around the country on behalf of candidates who believe in the right things, regardless of their party label or affiliation," she said over lunch in her downtown office, 40 miles from her now-famous hometown of Wasilla — population 7,000 — where she began her political career.
    "People are so tired of the partisan stuff — even my own son is not a Republican," said Mrs. Palin, who stunned the political world earlier this month with her decision to step down as governor July 26 with 18 months left in her term.


    EXCLUSIVE: Palin to stump for conservative Democrats - Washington Times

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    Default Re: Truth is stranger than fiction - The Sarah Palin Chronicles

    classic Kirk post
    Most bad government has grown out of too much government. Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanChilds View Post
    classic Kirk post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    You're not going to get any competition in the system while it's dominated by
    ...GOVERNMENT


    You can use anti-trust legislation to bust up monopolies you're whining about, but you can't do anything to break up big government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    You're not going to get any competition in the system while it's dominated by
    ...GOVERNMENT


    You can use anti-trust legislation to bust up monopolies you're whining about, but you can't do anything to break up big government.
    Viva la revolution!




    Just kidding... don't crucify me Lyle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFH View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    You're not going to get any competition in the system while it's dominated by
    ...GOVERNMENT


    You can use anti-trust legislation to bust up monopolies you're whining about, but you can't do anything to break up big government.
    Viva la revolution!




    Just kidding... don't crucify me Lyle.


    yeah!!!!! Down with big government, viva la revolution!

    oops, just kidding lefty, I mean CFH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CGM View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CFH View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    ...GOVERNMENT


    You can use anti-trust legislation to bust up monopolies you're whining about, but you can't do anything to break up big government.
    Viva la revolution!




    Just kidding... don't crucify me Lyle.


    yeah!!!!! Down with big government, viva la revolution!

    oops, just kidding lefty, I mean CFH.
    What does that even mean?

    Good ole' Yeltsin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFH View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CGM View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CFH View Post

    Viva la revolution!




    Just kidding... don't crucify me Lyle.


    yeah!!!!! Down with big government, viva la revolution!

    oops, just kidding lefty, I mean CFH.
    What does that even mean?

    Good ole' Yeltsin.
    ""just kidding, lefty" is just a play on words, it rings better than "take that, you commie!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    You're not going to get any competition in the system while it's dominated by
    ...GOVERNMENT


    You can use anti-trust legislation to bust up monopolies you're whining about, but you can't do anything to break up big government.
    They should use anti-trust legislation to break up the banks, the medical-industrial complex and a bunch of other dangerous monopolies but they never will because their lobbyists own all the important legislators. A single payer system (the government) would save a huge amount over the current corporate socialist healthcare system. Eventually the budget situation will get so bad that the GOP will cave and agree to one but I'm not sure we're quite there yet. If Obama can at least get a public plan passed to compete with the private ones that'll be a good start.

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    Default Re: Truth is stranger than fiction - The Sarah Palin Chronicles

    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    They should use anti-trust legislation to break up the banks, the medical-industrial complex and a bunch of other dangerous monopolies but they never will because their lobbyists own all the important legislators. A single payer system (the government) would save a huge amount over the current corporate socialist healthcare system. Eventually the budget situation will get so bad that the GOP will cave and agree to one but I'm not sure we're quite there yet. If Obama can at least get a public plan passed to compete with the private ones that'll be a good start.
    And what will happen when Government runs healthcare Well that's simple, we'll pay into the system, Congress will use the money to fund other little projects they deem important, and then we'll have a bankrupted system that limits the ammount and quality of healthcare each of us will receive. And in the process the medical fields will become less competitive and we'll get lower quality doctors and nurses....that'll be really fun Kirkland

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    They should use anti-trust legislation to break up the banks, the medical-industrial complex and a bunch of other dangerous monopolies but they never will because their lobbyists own all the important legislators. A single payer system (the government) would save a huge amount over the current corporate socialist healthcare system. Eventually the budget situation will get so bad that the GOP will cave and agree to one but I'm not sure we're quite there yet. If Obama can at least get a public plan passed to compete with the private ones that'll be a good start.
    And what will happen when Government runs healthcare Well that's simple, we'll pay into the system, Congress will use the money to fund other little projects they deem important, and then we'll have a bankrupted system that limits the ammount and quality of healthcare each of us will receive. And in the process the medical fields will become less competitive and we'll get lower quality doctors and nurses....that'll be really fun Kirkland
    Another fact-free post from you. The government won't be running healthcare, just operating a giant insurance plan that competes with the half dozen private insurance monopolies to pay the existing doctors and hospitals for healthcare. (If you're lucky and the bill passes.)

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    Do you think that is where it stops Kirk? I feel pretty certain that once we start down this road we will ultimately end with a single payer system.
    Most bad government has grown out of too much government. Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanChilds View Post
    Do you think that is where it stops Kirk? I feel pretty certain that once we start down this road we will ultimately end with a single payer system.
    They'll have to otherwise healthcare will bankrupt the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Another fact-free post from you. The government won't be running healthcare, just operating a giant insurance plan that competes with the half dozen private insurance monopolies to pay the existing doctors and hospitals for healthcare. (If you're lucky and the bill passes.)
    Kirkland a Corporation HAS to make a profit the Government does not ergo the Government is at the advantage and will eventually put an end to private systems of healthcare.

    Why would I be considered "lucky" if this bill passes I already have insurance, AND I get to choose my Doctors! Healthcare isn't a RIGHT it's an option, a choice, and people choose to spend money on other things rather than pay for health insurance, it's not like the majority of people don't have the money to pay for health insurance, they just choose to spend it on other stuff...it's not my fault they don't think health insurance is important.

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