Quote Originally Posted by AdamGB View Post
Of course it's possible bilbo...

he also says that losing even one pound can be a pretty big deal, something a lot of posters think for some reason is a ludicrous thing to say. You're right, we aren't just talking about Mosely, but a pound is a pound.

When does it become one pound too many? That is of course debatable to each individual boxers but the majority of pro-pac individuals won't even entertain the fact for any fighter at all.

You do have to ask yourself a few questions RE: Cotto though...

Such as why it was OK to ask for Oscar at 147 and end up fighting him at 145, but to ask for Cotto at not 147, not 145 but 143? You're right Cotto isn't a massive Welterweight (he was getting dropped like a bad habit at 140 by most fighters) smaller than Mosley and much smaller than Oscar, hence Roach having to ask for lower to improve the odds of taking Cotto's edge off.

Roach isn't stupid.

Nobody is saying it's going to turn him into a corpse etc Bilbo, but people talk about Pac as if he is Jesus, whiter than whiter and it seems pretty clear to me now that he is just in money making mode - Having gone as high in weight as he can go he just wants to fight the big names... who happen to be at 147... he doesn't give a shit about the achievement of Welterweight, I'm not knocking him for not being big enough for it... it would be nice for his fans to acknowledge that he's after names and PPV sales now, nothing more.

I'm not saying he desrves absolutly no respect for a win but if he were to beat Cotto his wants would give him 147%, even if he only deserves 143%, do you catchweight my drift?

When Mosely is talking about a pound being a pound he's coming from the perspective of already having lost seven. He was 154, then dropped seven pounds, now every further pound is significant.

Cotto hasn't dropped anything yet. He weighed in at 146 lbs in his last fight, so if it's an agreed weight of 145, or even 144 it's not that big a deal.

Certainly not for an elite athlete with a professional training team around him. If it's possible for Manny to work through 8 weight classes it should be possible for Cotto to drop a couple pounds to fight 4 or 5 lbs heavier than where he was at a couple years ago.

You talk about Pacquiao being whiter than white, I'd say he's the most maligned fighter in the sport.

So few people are willing to give him the full credit for what he has done and those that do are labelled fanboys.

Has there even been a single other fighter in history who has won world titles at flyweight and welterweight?

If not then why begrudge Manny trying to get Cotto to drop a couple pounds to give him a fighting chance to achieve what would be as far I can tell a truly unique acomplishment in the history of boxing, I certainly know of no other flyweight to welterweight world champs.

Manny beating Cotto at 145 is more impressive to me than Jones Jr beating Joh Ruiz at heavyweight. Ruiz didn't have to cut weight, but Jones cherry picked the weakest belt holder in recent years, a guy who he completely and hopelessly outclassed in talent, speed and skill.

Wouldn't have been more impressive had not Roy Jones agreed to fight Lennox Lewis but with the stipulation that Lewis weigh in say 8 lbs lighter than normal, so a weight limit of say 230 lbs?

Hell yeah, that would have been MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH more impressive because Lewis was an ELITE fighter.

Cotto is an ELITE fighter, he's not just a paper champion. Manny isn't just moving up to fight a belt holder, he wants to fight the best that division has to offer.

Can you seriously imagine this criticism being labelled against ANY other fighter?

If Floyd agreed to fight Kelly Pavlik at 158 you wouldn't think that was a good fight, you wouldn't think Floyd was brave?

If Andre Ward decided to fight David Haye at 215 lbs you wouldn't be impressed with him?

How about if Joesph Agbeko followed up his win over Darchinyan by fighting Juan Manuel Marquez at a catchweight between superfeather and lightweight?

What Manny has achieved is amazing, and what he is trying to achieve still is also amazing.

You can't see the wood for the trees, you get so hung up on the incorrectness of catchweights you miss the fact that Manny is making boxing history, he's the most exciting fighter in the world, and this a poor kid from the Phillipines who used to have to use his hands to wipe his ass after a shit.

Just take your blinkers off for a second and enjoy what we have, a truly fantastic, exciting and humble fighter tearing through guys several weight classes above him and giving us boxing fans some truly memorable all time great performances.

When he's retired, everyone will be saying how great he was, so why not start now?