Regarding weight loss, straight from the horses mouth

[The Congressman]

I don't care about the world title belt either. What matters most is the excitement factor that it's gonna creat. For example, the Pacquiao-Morales trilogy holds the record on most ppv buy. But none of those fights were for world title.

[Kev]

I don't care about the world title belt either. What matters most is the excitement factor that it's gonna creat. For example, the Pacquiao-Morales trilogy holds the record on most ppv buy. But none of those fights were for world title.

A lot of the most eagerly anticipated fights arn't. Cazlaghe Hopkins was a non title catchweight fight and I don't remember any complaints. So was Pavlik Hopkins.

Yet not a single person on this board complained that Pavlik and Calzaghe were cowards, forcing Hopkins to 'drain' himself and that the fights tarnished boxing.

In fact when Winky fought Hopkins also at a catchweight everyone said Winky was too small, even though once again Hopkins 'drained' himself by moving down to 168.

[generalbulldog]

I don't care about the world title belt either. What matters most is the excitement factor that it's gonna creat. For example, the Pacquiao-Morales trilogy holds the record on most ppv buy. But none of those fights were for world title.

A lot of the most eagerly anticipated fights arn't. Cazlaghe Hopkins was a non title catchweight fight and I don't remember any complaints. So was Pavlik Hopkins.

Yet not a single person on this board complained that Pavlik and Calzaghe were cowards, forcing Hopkins to 'drain' himself and that the fights tarnished boxing.

In fact when Winky fought Hopkins also at a catchweight everyone said Winky was too small, even though once again Hopkins 'drained' himself by moving down to 168.

To be honest with you it has to do with Pacman's fans which in turn makes everyone hates Pacman and will use anything against him. I really don't like Pacman but seeing it from another perspective I really don't care about the catchweight if it's reasonable for Cotto.

[Kev]

I don't care about the world title belt either. What matters most is the excitement factor that it's gonna creat. For example, the Pacquiao-Morales trilogy holds the record on most ppv buy. But none of those fights were for world title.

A lot of the most eagerly anticipated fights arn't. Cazlaghe Hopkins was a non title catchweight fight and I don't remember any complaints. So was Pavlik Hopkins.

Yet not a single person on this board complained that Pavlik and Calzaghe were cowards, forcing Hopkins to 'drain' himself and that the fights tarnished boxing.

In fact when Winky fought Hopkins also at a catchweight everyone said Winky was too small, even though once again Hopkins 'drained' himself by moving down to 168.

To be honest with you it has to do with Pacman's fans which in turn makes everyone hates Pacman and will use anything against him. I really don't like Pacman but seeing it from another perspective I really don't care about the catchweight if it's reasonable for Cotto.

That's it in a nutshell really. Nobody has ever complained one iota about catchweight fights before, which happen a lot more often than people realise but because of Pacmania they are all over this like flies on shit.

It's sad because they are missing out on the satisfaction of enjoying a true boxing superstar in the making.

Asia has never had an all time great superstar and for the first time in a very long time we have a chance for a fighter not from the continent of America to go on and become an alltime great.

His story is tremendous when you consider the poverty he has come from. His success epitomises everything that is great about boxing and his own courage, humility and willingness to fight all comers should be aplauded.

He's the ultimate throwback fighter, never backs down, has taken on challenges that nobody thought possible a couple years ago and he wants to continue further.

Its so sad to allow a few Pac lovers on a forum to cloud your judgement so much that it prevents you from enjoying the one fighter who is doing more for boxing than any other right now.

We should be proud of Manny, he's a terrific little fighter, great and humble guy and an inspiration for an entire continent numbering billions.

[LEGION]

A lot of the most eagerly anticipated fights arn't. Cazlaghe Hopkins was a non title catchweight fight and I don't remember any complaints. So was Pavlik Hopkins.

Yet not a single person on this board complained that Pavlik and Calzaghe were cowards, forcing Hopkins to 'drain' himself and that the fights tarnished boxing.

In fact when Winky fought Hopkins also at a catchweight everyone said Winky was too small, even though once again Hopkins 'drained' himself by moving down to 168.

To be honest with you it has to do with Pacman's fans which in turn makes everyone hates Pacman and will use anything against him. I really don't like Pacman but seeing it from another perspective I really don't care about the catchweight if it's reasonable for Cotto.

That's it in a nutshell really. Nobody has ever complained one iota about catchweight fights before, which happen a lot more often than people realise but because of Pacmania they are all over this like flies on shit.

It's sad because they are missing out on the satisfaction of enjoying a true boxing superstar in the making.

Asia has never had an all time great superstar and for the first time in a very long time we have a chance for a fighter not from the continent of America to go on and become an alltime great.

His story is tremendous when you consider the poverty he has come from. His success epitomises everything that is great about boxing and his own courage, humility and willingness to fight all comers should be aplauded.

He's the ultimate throwback fighter, never backs down, has taken on challenges that nobody thought possible a couple years ago and he wants to continue further.

Its so sad to allow a few Pac lovers on a forum to cloud your judgement so much that it prevents you from enjoying the one fighter who is doing more for boxing than any other right now.

We should be proud of Manny, he's a terrific little fighter, great and humble guy and an inspiration for an entire continent numbering billions.

Absolutely. I really don't know how anyone could dislike the guy.

So just to be clear on this: if they do fight, will Cotto's WBO belt be on the line or not?

[Kev]

To be honest with you it has to do with Pacman's fans which in turn makes everyone hates Pacman and will use anything against him. I really don't like Pacman but seeing it from another perspective I really don't care about the catchweight if it's reasonable for Cotto.

That's it in a nutshell really. Nobody has ever complained one iota about catchweight fights before, which happen a lot more often than people realise but because of Pacmania they are all over this like flies on shit.

It's sad because they are missing out on the satisfaction of enjoying a true boxing superstar in the making.

Asia has never had an all time great superstar and for the first time in a very long time we have a chance for a fighter not from the continent of America to go on and become an alltime great.

His story is tremendous when you consider the poverty he has come from. His success epitomises everything that is great about boxing and his own courage, humility and willingness to fight all comers should be aplauded.

He's the ultimate throwback fighter, never backs down, has taken on challenges that nobody thought possible a couple years ago and he wants to continue further.

Its so sad to allow a few Pac lovers on a forum to cloud your judgement so much that it prevents you from enjoying the one fighter who is doing more for boxing than any other right now.

We should be proud of Manny, he's a terrific little fighter, great and humble guy and an inspiration for an entire continent numbering billions.

Absolutely. I really don't know how anyone could dislike the guy.

So just to be clear on this: if they do fight, will Cotto's WBO belt be on the line or not?

Just to be clear, who the fuck cares!

It's simply not about the belt.

But IF the belt is on the line can anybody really begrudge Manny possibly winning it?

I mean with all the mediocre paper belt holders in boxing today why in the world would anybody begrudge Manny winning an historic title because Cotto weighed in a couple pounds under the limit?

I just don't see how it tarnishes boxing in any way whatsoever if the belt is on the line.

Really with guys like Juan Urango, Giacobbe Fragomeni, Karoly Balzsay, Malcom Klassen and Paulos Moses all being recognised as world champions, does it really 'tarnish' the sport if the unquestioned most exciting, explosive, dynamic little fighter in the world today gets given a WBO strap if he vanquishes the current holder a couple pounds below the max weight limit?

No doubt to some fucking moany, whiny people it will be a travesty, but thankfully the boxing world pays no attention at all to them........

[generalbulldog]

I don't think real boxing fans care about the alphabet soup titles. They just want good fights. Who gives a shit about the wbo, ibf, wbu, wba, wbc, ibo the intercontinental bullshit title or whatever. They just want to see a good fight.


I think this fight with Cotto will be set at 144 or 145. Cotto can shed 1 or 2 pounds, since he came in at 146 against Clottey.

[LEGION]

That's it in a nutshell really. Nobody has ever complained one iota about catchweight fights before, which happen a lot more often than people realise but because of Pacmania they are all over this like flies on shit.

It's sad because they are missing out on the satisfaction of enjoying a true boxing superstar in the making.

Asia has never had an all time great superstar and for the first time in a very long time we have a chance for a fighter not from the continent of America to go on and become an alltime great.

His story is tremendous when you consider the poverty he has come from. His success epitomises everything that is great about boxing and his own courage, humility and willingness to fight all comers should be aplauded.

He's the ultimate throwback fighter, never backs down, has taken on challenges that nobody thought possible a couple years ago and he wants to continue further.

Its so sad to allow a few Pac lovers on a forum to cloud your judgement so much that it prevents you from enjoying the one fighter who is doing more for boxing than any other right now.

We should be proud of Manny, he's a terrific little fighter, great and humble guy and an inspiration for an entire continent numbering billions.

Absolutely. I really don't know how anyone could dislike the guy.

So just to be clear on this: if they do fight, will Cotto's WBO belt be on the line or not?

Just to be clear, who the fuck cares!

It's simply not about the belt.

But IF the belt is on the line can anybody really begrudge Manny possibly winning it?

I mean with all the mediocre paper belt holders in boxing today why in the world would anybody begrudge Manny winning an historic title because Cotto weighed in a couple pounds under the limit?

I just don't see how it tarnishes boxing in any way whatsoever if the belt is on the line.

Really with guys like Juan Urango, Giacobbe Fragomeni, Karoly Balzsay, Malcom Klassen and Paulos Moses all being recognised as world champions, does it really 'tarnish' the sport if the unquestioned most exciting, explosive, dynamic little fighter in the world today gets given a WBO strap if he vanquishes the current holder a couple pounds below the max weight limit?

No doubt to some fucking moany, whiny people it will be a travesty, but thankfully the boxing world pays no attention at all to them........

LOL; WAR Bilbo Baggins!!! Funny you calling the kettle black.

No I wouldn't begrudge him the belt should he win. I might have my own "whiny" issues but like I said before, issues or not, it's up to Cotto and his people to take the fight or not; and if the governing bodies don't care who am I to worry over it.

Plus, Manny is the draw in this fight calling the shots, Cotto isn't; and it could be very beneficial for Cotto to become more recognizable to the casual fans. If Cotto does take it, than obviously he and his people feel that the weight stipulations won't make a difference anyways. If Cotto loses I'm not the type to listen to excuses for a fighter{though Cotto doesn't seem that type}they make their choices. And in the end I just want to see the fight; going to be epic