Article: Russia and China warn US that an Israeli attack on Iran means world war...

[CFH]

WTF? I thought we were cool wth Russia now. Oh well we are f#cked if 1 billion Chinese and 500 million Russians get guns blazing. Fukk it I'm going to sit on my roof and wait. Giving Israel that homeland back was stupid; sorry no offense meant. That has caused more bs over the years.

It wouldn't just be the U.S. fighting them, something like that would spiral out of control rapidly. Canada, Australia, Britain, France, Germany (fuck, pretty much all of Western/Central Europe) would all join the U.S. Which ever way India sided would result in a huge shift in the balance of power etc.

I understan; I just worded it wrong; I meant we are all fukked; the whole planet. Wonder which way Japan goes? You know N. Korea is just waiting with baited breath. Israel is a small island in the middle of shark infested waters.

Japan is an American ally, I can't image then going any other way.

Like I said in my post, I cannot stand Israel, but I would be able to understand their reasons for attacking Iran.

[LEGION]

It wouldn't just be the U.S. fighting them, something like that would spiral out of control rapidly. Canada, Australia, Britain, France, Germany (fuck, pretty much all of Western/Central Europe) would all join the U.S. Which ever way India sided would result in a huge shift in the balance of power etc.

I understan; I just worded it wrong; I meant we are all fukked; the whole planet. Wonder which way Japan goes? You know N. Korea is just waiting with baited breath. Israel is a small island in the middle of shark infested waters.

Japan is an American ally, I can't image then going any other way.

Like I said in my post, I cannot stand Israel, but I would be able to understand their reasons for attacking Iran.

Yeah as soon as I posted it I thought how dumb of me. I was too anxious to get back to the Dana Whitey Trash thread Thy couldn't do anything because we have bases there DUH Oh well fukk you Mr. Smarty Man.

[Spicoli]

China dont need to lift a finger...just hold our national debt over our heads and wave its finger....The irony that they dont 'warn' Israel but us

[Nameless]

As I study more or less into that field, the subject entirely interests me:
International politics will always be about how long you can show your teeth and how hard you can potentially bite. The middle East is a time bomb waiting to explode and this little tiny and desert place gets more destructive power than what can meet the eyes, seriously. The fact is: Israel should never have been created, before the zionists kicked in, the jewish peoples living there were getting along fairly well with the Muslim and there was no such things as the Martyr brigades or way too radical Hasidims.
NOw the mess has been created, the problem got worst: ISrael is defying the fronteers of 1967 and are occupying illegally many country, inclusing Palestine, the Golan's heights, Cijordania and are not giving a flying "F" about what the international community is saying. SInce 1967, more than 200 resolutions have been voted against Israel but the US used their veto every single time.. contributing to worsen the problem, naturally.
NOw that Russia and China's economy are soaring and that western Europe and AMerica are on the slow motion, there is a shifting in balance, at least, by a few kilos, let's see how it goes but let's all hope that nobody will go to the clash because with such size, it'll get ugly. One good thing though: Russia and USA did sign an agreement to reduce considerably their nuclear weapons stuck, if Israel would do the same, I think that the chances to see Iran giving up on their program would be a bit better, the idea why they want such weapons is beacause their neighbors ennemy have some and they feel threatened (though the ayatollah over there and Amadinejad is a dumbfuck dangerous psychopath, I can see why they feel a bit threatened by Israel on that issue).

[CGM]

For a number of years after the fall of the Soviet Union, Russia had to focus on recuperation and restoration. Now that they are more or less back on their feet, they'd love to be able to go push for shove with the U.S., but would not dare to challenge them directly, a Middle East confrontation gives them the excuse they want/need to really start exerting some influence and be a superpower again. This is especially true with a guy like Putin in charge. For a while I liked Putin, he was a strong leader they needed, but he's become a dangerous person who can't be trusted.

I agree with the consensus on that Iranian dude though. He really is an asshole of the highest order.

[ICB]

I think its time to build an undergroud shelter.

[LEGION]

I think its time to build an undergroud shelter.

You should start today.

Me; I'm going to lay on my roof and masturbate as soon as I hear the bombs coming my way. What the hell

[CFH]

As I study more or less into that field, the subject entirely interests me:
International politics will always be about how long you can show your teeth and how hard you can potentially bite. The middle East is a time bomb waiting to explode and this little tiny and desert place gets more destructive power than what can meet the eyes, seriously. The fact is: Israel should never have been created, before the zionists kicked in, the jewish peoples living there were getting along fairly well with the Muslim and there was no such things as the Martyr brigades or way too radical Hasidims.
NOw the mess has been created, the problem got worst: ISrael is defying the fronteers of 1967 and are occupying illegally many country, inclusing Palestine, the Golan's heights, Cijordania and are not giving a flying "F" about what the international community is saying. SInce 1967, more than 200 resolutions have been voted against Israel but the US used their veto every single time.. contributing to worsen the problem, naturally.
NOw that Russia and China's economy are soaring and that western Europe and AMerica are on the slow motion, there is a shifting in balance, at least, by a few kilos, let's see how it goes but let's all hope that nobody will go to the clash because with such size, it'll get ugly. One good thing though: Russia and USA did sign an agreement to reduce considerably their nuclear weapons stuck, if Israel would do the same, I think that the chances to see Iran giving up on their program would be a bit better, the idea why they want such weapons is beacause their neighbors ennemy have some and they feel threatened (though the ayatollah over there and Amadinejad is a dumbfuck dangerous psychopath, I can see why they feel a bit threatened by Israel on that issue).

While I agree with that, the entity of Palestine was an arbitrary western creation as well. I know this seems random, but that's something I feel is also overlooked in the whole Israel - Palestine discussion.

[CGM]

As I study more or less into that field, the subject entirely interests me:
International politics will always be about how long you can show your teeth and how hard you can potentially bite. The middle East is a time bomb waiting to explode and this little tiny and desert place gets more destructive power than what can meet the eyes, seriously. The fact is: Israel should never have been created, before the zionists kicked in, the jewish peoples living there were getting along fairly well with the Muslim and there was no such things as the Martyr brigades or way too radical Hasidims.
NOw the mess has been created, the problem got worst: ISrael is defying the fronteers of 1967 and are occupying illegally many country, inclusing Palestine, the Golan's heights, Cijordania and are not giving a flying "F" about what the international community is saying. SInce 1967, more than 200 resolutions have been voted against Israel but the US used their veto every single time.. contributing to worsen the problem, naturally.
NOw that Russia and China's economy are soaring and that western Europe and AMerica are on the slow motion, there is a shifting in balance, at least, by a few kilos, let's see how it goes but let's all hope that nobody will go to the clash because with such size, it'll get ugly. One good thing though: Russia and USA did sign an agreement to reduce considerably their nuclear weapons stuck, if Israel would do the same, I think that the chances to see Iran giving up on their program would be a bit better, the idea why they want such weapons is beacause their neighbors ennemy have some and they feel threatened (though the ayatollah over there and Amadinejad is a dumbfuck dangerous psychopath, I can see why they feel a bit threatened by Israel on that issue).

While I agree with that, the entity of Palestine was an arbitrary western creation as well. I know this seems random, but that's something I feel is also overlooked in the whole Israel - Palestine discussion.

That's true enough, but what is also seldom mentioned is that when the west (the UN actually) was trying to stickhandle this whole mess after the war, the Arab leaders took a hard line and didn't exactly play ball, and the UN called their bluff and acted unilaterally and the palestinian people got the short end of the stick.

[boozeboxer]

We should have stayed and ruled these countries we carved out over there (France, England, European Powers, US). If we had been real imperialists I think it would be better in the mIddle east and for sure in Africa. It is too late now though.

I like Israel. The other countries can't be trusted anyway and Israel doesn't fuck around. Truman gave the Jews Israel for financing us during the world wars I think??

[Gandalf]

I cannot stand Israel and the behaviour it has been allowed to get away wiith since its dubious inception. And even now they continue to get away with all kinds of shit. America and the UK should be ashamed of themselves for the continued support and turning of a blind eye to war crimes and attrocities commited in the name of state building and border expansion.

Israel is an anomaly and that is why there is so much tension in the Middle East. Israel shouldn't even be there.

[Nameless]

As I study more or less into that field, the subject entirely interests me:
International politics will always be about how long you can show your teeth and how hard you can potentially bite. The middle East is a time bomb waiting to explode and this little tiny and desert place gets more destructive power than what can meet the eyes, seriously. The fact is: Israel should never have been created, before the zionists kicked in, the jewish peoples living there were getting along fairly well with the Muslim and there was no such things as the Martyr brigades or way too radical Hasidims.
NOw the mess has been created, the problem got worst: ISrael is defying the fronteers of 1967 and are occupying illegally many country, inclusing Palestine, the Golan's heights, Cijordania and are not giving a flying "F" about what the international community is saying. SInce 1967, more than 200 resolutions have been voted against Israel but the US used their veto every single time.. contributing to worsen the problem, naturally.
NOw that Russia and China's economy are soaring and that western Europe and AMerica are on the slow motion, there is a shifting in balance, at least, by a few kilos, let's see how it goes but let's all hope that nobody will go to the clash because with such size, it'll get ugly. One good thing though: Russia and USA did sign an agreement to reduce considerably their nuclear weapons stuck, if Israel would do the same, I think that the chances to see Iran giving up on their program would be a bit better, the idea why they want such weapons is beacause their neighbors ennemy have some and they feel threatened (though the ayatollah over there and Amadinejad is a dumbfuck dangerous psychopath, I can see why they feel a bit threatened by Israel on that issue).

While I agree with that, the entity of Palestine was an arbitrary western creation as well. I know this seems random, but that's something I feel is also overlooked in the whole Israel - Palestine discussion.

That's true enough, but what is also seldom mentioned is that when the west (the UN actually) was trying to stickhandle this whole mess after the war, the Arab leaders took a hard line and didn't exactly play ball, and the UN called their bluff and acted unilaterally and the palestinian people got the short end of the stick.

The modern knot of this struggle is the structure of the UN: The security concil and the unlimited veto they can blindly use. i wrote an article that will get published about it in a few months, halas it's in french otherwise I would upload it for the interested ones, I just need to make a few touches up and it's done. If one couldn't use the veto more than X times on some regions or some cases, Israel wouldn't be on the winning end as they would face sanctions. Unfortunately, the consil can wage as many vetos as they want and then, countries of that consil can protect their own interests and we have the mess we face now, especially because it gives all the flux of arguments to fill the mulsim radical groups: "- you see, the international community aren't helping us and aren't willing to do so, the only solution we have is Allah and to show them what we're made of'". Change the veto situation and on the other end, you also choke down the muslim radicals as their revendications are obsolete if Palestine recover their lost boundaries and have a legitimate state.

[CGM]

While I agree with that, the entity of Palestine was an arbitrary western creation as well. I know this seems random, but that's something I feel is also overlooked in the whole Israel - Palestine discussion.

That's true enough, but what is also seldom mentioned is that when the west (the UN actually) was trying to stickhandle this whole mess after the war, the Arab leaders took a hard line and didn't exactly play ball, and the UN called their bluff and acted unilaterally and the palestinian people got the short end of the stick.

The modern knot of this struggle is the structure of the UN: The security concil and the unlimited veto they can blindly use. i wrote an article that will get published about it in a few months, halas it's in french otherwise I would upload it for the interested ones, I just need to make a few touches up and it's done. If one couldn't use the veto more than X times on some regions or some cases, Israel wouldn't be on the winning end as they would face sanctions. Unfortunately, the consil can wage as many vetos as they want and then, countries of that consil can protect their own interests and we have the mess we face now, especially because it gives all the flux of arguments to fill the mulsim radical groups: "- you see, the international community aren't helping us and aren't willing to do so, the only solution we have is Allah and to show them what we're made of'". Change the veto situation and on the other end, you also choke down the muslim radicals as their revendications are obsolete if Palestine recover their lost boundaries and have a legitimate state.

Well, point taken, I wasn't so much referring to what is happening now is to what happened back then when Israel was formed. But yeah, the UN now sure has it's flaws and limitations. The veto system certainly hi-lites those flaws, but I'm nott convinced veto system is the problem in and of itself, but it is misused by those who have veto power as a way to further their politics. The real problem is a total lack of consensus on the politics.

Anyways, I'm interested in your article, give us a link when it gets published, even if it is in French I have friends that can deal with that.