When Pacquiao beats Cotto

[Fenster]

Don't be silly, the start of the excuses have already been highlighted in this thread - Cotto was weight drained, he wasn't the same after Margarito, looked shit against Clotty.. and they'll be a dozen more by time he loses.

No-one ever loses fair and square in boxing.

[Gandalf]

Cotto should not have agreed to the catchweight fullstop. Who else was Manny going to fight that could have stimulated some interest at a catchweight and make the same money? Mosley....Berto...Collazo?

Cotto is a bigger draw than those guys and he yet he gives up some of his natural weight advantage. A bit of a cop out. Manny had nowhere else to turn really. He really doesn't want to fight Mosley nor resort to fighting minor players like Berto. And yet we got the cop out result.

If Cotto beats the living Jesus out of him it's all good. Which I think he might do. But otherwise, catchweights really, really suck. Cotto beats a midget then I say fair enough because he drained down to the midgets current size.

[Fenster]

Cotto should not have agreed to the catchweight fullstop. Who else was Manny going to fight that could have stimulated some interest at a catchweight and make the same money? Mosley....Berto...Collazo?

Cotto is a bigger draw than those guys and he yet he gives up some of his natural weight advantage. A bit of a cop out. Manny had nowhere else to turn really. He really doesn't want to fight Mosley nor resort to fighting minor players like Berto. And yet we got the cop out result.

If Cotto beats the living Jesus out of him it's all good. Which I think he might do. But otherwise, catchweights really, really suck. Cotto beats a midget then I say fair enough because he drained down to the midgets current size.

Don't worry Miles,

Cotto's career high payday compensated for the couple of pounds lost in weight

[Gandalf]

Cotto should not have agreed to the catchweight fullstop. Who else was Manny going to fight that could have stimulated some interest at a catchweight and make the same money? Mosley....Berto...Collazo?

Cotto is a bigger draw than those guys and he yet he gives up some of his natural weight advantage. A bit of a cop out. Manny had nowhere else to turn really. He really doesn't want to fight Mosley nor resort to fighting minor players like Berto. And yet we got the cop out result.

If Cotto beats the living Jesus out of him it's all good. Which I think he might do. But otherwise, catchweights really, really suck. Cotto beats a midget then I say fair enough because he drained down to the midgets current size.

Don't worry Miles,

Cotto's career high payday compensated for the couple of pounds lost in weight

Yep, he's a smart businessman too. I don't like these catchweights, that's all. Pac beat Hatton up fair and square and that was cool. I can give credit. Manny beat him up, Hatton was stupid but that's life. But to now try and use catchweights to secure advantages is really crappy and weak. It shows a Manny at the end of his limits trying to take what he can at the least cost. And as a purist, I just hate that.

[Fenster]

Cotto should not have agreed to the catchweight fullstop. Who else was Manny going to fight that could have stimulated some interest at a catchweight and make the same money? Mosley....Berto...Collazo?

Cotto is a bigger draw than those guys and he yet he gives up some of his natural weight advantage. A bit of a cop out. Manny had nowhere else to turn really. He really doesn't want to fight Mosley nor resort to fighting minor players like Berto. And yet we got the cop out result.

If Cotto beats the living Jesus out of him it's all good. Which I think he might do. But otherwise, catchweights really, really suck. Cotto beats a midget then I say fair enough because he drained down to the midgets current size.

Don't worry Miles,

Cotto's career high payday compensated for the couple of pounds lost in weight

Yep, he's a smart businessman too. I don't like these catchweights, that's all. Pac beat Hatton up fair and square and that was cool. I can give credit. Manny beat him up, Hatton was stupid but that's life. But to now try and use catchweights to secure advantages is really crappy and weak. It shows a Manny at the end of his limits trying to take what he can at the least cost. And as a purist, I just hate that.

Surely you would rather see the fight than not though?

If catchweights mean certain fights will happen then it's a good thing, no? And this is a great fight.

One year ago a fight between Cotto and Pac would have been laughed out of town - because obviously Pac would get killed. Now he's the favourite. Amazing.

[Gandalf]

Don't worry Miles,

Cotto's career high payday compensated for the couple of pounds lost in weight

Yep, he's a smart businessman too. I don't like these catchweights, that's all. Pac beat Hatton up fair and square and that was cool. I can give credit. Manny beat him up, Hatton was stupid but that's life. But to now try and use catchweights to secure advantages is really crappy and weak. It shows a Manny at the end of his limits trying to take what he can at the least cost. And as a purist, I just hate that.

Surely you would rather see the fight than not though?

If catchweights mean certain fights will happen then it's a good thing, no? And this is a great fight.

One year ago a fight between Cotto and Pac would have been laughed out of town - because obviously Pac would get killed. Now he's the favourite. Amazing.

Of course I will watch. How could I not?

But it would mean that bit more if it was 147 no questions asked. That for me is the real fight and if Manny topples the man then all you can do is sit back and say "fair play".

As it is, we have debates like this that shouldn't be happening. It should be a 147 fight. Is Manny really that scared by a couple of pounds?

[Fenster]

Yep, he's a smart businessman too. I don't like these catchweights, that's all. Pac beat Hatton up fair and square and that was cool. I can give credit. Manny beat him up, Hatton was stupid but that's life. But to now try and use catchweights to secure advantages is really crappy and weak. It shows a Manny at the end of his limits trying to take what he can at the least cost. And as a purist, I just hate that.

Surely you would rather see the fight than not though?

If catchweights mean certain fights will happen then it's a good thing, no? And this is a great fight.

One year ago a fight between Cotto and Pac would have been laughed out of town - because obviously Pac would get killed. Now he's the favourite. Amazing.

Of course I will watch. How could I not?

But it would mean that bit more if it was 147 no questions asked. That for me is the real fight and if Manny topples the man then all you can do is sit back and say "fair play".

As it is, we have debates like this that shouldn't be happening. It should be a 147 fight. Is Manny really that scared by a couple of pounds?

Maybe he is, but the important thing is Cotto wasn't scared about losing a couple of pounds, otherwise he would have refused the fight

[Rican]

The problem is that if you are considered the pound for pound king, then you should not be fighting at or demanding catchweights. Because this fight is at a catchweight, Manny is losing some respect, especially if Manny wins against Cotto, whom we all know had weight issues in the past below 147.

I certainly think Cotto is still good and definitely not washed up (he has been fighting the top welterweights for some time now-of course not all of those fights will be resounding successes). I also do not think that Manny can fuk with Cotto's power, jab, body attack, and ring intelligence. It will take Cotto about two rounds to adjust to Manny's speed and feel how much power he has, and after that, it will get brutal for Manny. So if Manny wins, I will give him credit, even at 145, a weight that will allow Cotto to retain whatever speed he has AND his well-known power.

[generalbulldog]

At first I had a problem with catchweights but then there has been quite a few catchweight fights in boxing history and former p4p kings like De La Hoya and Ray Leonard has done it.

Hell I didn't even know that JCC and Whitaker fought at a catchweight in '93, I thought it was just a welterweight fight and so did many people, but it was a catchweight at 145 just like this fight, except that fight was between the no.1 and no. 2 p4p fighters at that time. That was still a great fight even if it was at a catchweight.

[KKisser]

Cotto should not have agreed to the catchweight fullstop. Who else was Manny going to fight that could have stimulated some interest at a catchweight and make the same money? Mosley....Berto...Collazo?

Cotto is a bigger draw than those guys and he yet he gives up some of his natural weight advantage. A bit of a cop out. Manny had nowhere else to turn really. He really doesn't want to fight Mosley nor resort to fighting minor players like Berto. And yet we got the cop out result.

If Cotto beats the living Jesus out of him it's all good. Which I think he might do. But otherwise, catchweights really, really suck. Cotto beats a midget then I say fair enough because he drained down to the midgets current size.

Don't worry Miles,

Cotto's career high payday compensated for the couple of pounds lost in weight

Yep, he's a smart businessman too. I don't like these catchweights, that's all. Pac beat Hatton up fair and square and that was cool. I can give credit. Manny beat him up, Hatton was stupid but that's life. But to now try and use catchweights to secure advantages is really crappy and weak. It shows a Manny at the end of his limits trying to take what he can at the least cost. And as a purist, I just hate that.

would you give cotto full credit if he beat the smaller pac at 147? why don't they just fight at 140 so that cotto would get tons of credit and manny's belt at the same time? well anyway, this fight isn't for any belt i heard so i don't see why a couple of pounds would matter. if cotto wins at 145 he'd get more credit than if the fight is at 147.

[Gandalf]

Don't worry Miles,

Cotto's career high payday compensated for the couple of pounds lost in weight

Yep, he's a smart businessman too. I don't like these catchweights, that's all. Pac beat Hatton up fair and square and that was cool. I can give credit. Manny beat him up, Hatton was stupid but that's life. But to now try and use catchweights to secure advantages is really crappy and weak. It shows a Manny at the end of his limits trying to take what he can at the least cost. And as a purist, I just hate that.

would you give cotto full credit if he beat the smaller pac at 147? why don't they just fight at 140 so that cotto would get tons of credit and manny's belt at the same time? well anyway, this fight isn't for any belt i heard so i don't see why a couple of pounds would matter. if cotto wins at 145 he'd get more credit than if the fight is at 147.

Cotto couldn't make 140 unless they cut off half an arm.

I question the validity of the catchweight. Like I say if Manny wants to fight the WW's then he should go to 147. I don't care about belts or any of that. I like the parameters we have in boxing, I like the weight classes we currently have and would like fighters to adhere to them. If 2 pounds is really nothing then why has Manny demanded it? Because he is ekeing out any advantage that he can. There are few big paydays at 140 and Manny is on the cash out stage of his career. Cotto has agreed to it too, so in that regard you could say what is the problem? Both fighters are recieving huge pay days for this fight and the fans are going to get a fight they want. But that 2 pounds difference will always be there.

[KKisser]

yeah miles, but you're looking at the picture only from one side. it's not as if pac is the only one who wanted this fight. why is cotto picking on the smaller man? money may sure is getting a lot of flack for picking on the smaller jmm who a lot of you think won over manny, and pbf isn't even naturally bigger than cotto.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Don't be silly, the start of the excuses have already been highlighted in this thread - Cotto was weight drained, he wasn't the same after Margarito, looked shit against Clotty.. and they'll be a dozen more by time he loses.

No-one ever loses fair and square in boxing.

not when the boxer/trainer start dictating the rules/weights.

[Fenster]

Don't be silly, the start of the excuses have already been highlighted in this thread - Cotto was weight drained, he wasn't the same after Margarito, looked shit against Clotty.. and they'll be a dozen more by time he loses.

No-one ever loses fair and square in boxing.

not when the boxer/trainer start dictating the rules/weights.

Well if the other guy is happy enough to agree where's the problem?