Is James Toney Really Finished ?

[Master]

Haye would beat Toney at this point.

I would hope that the "Saviour of the HW division" would beat a 40 year old middleweight!

True if you actually believed he is the saviour. In reality let some of us Brits dream.

[Beanflicker]

Toney got absolutely, positively ROBBED against Peter in the first fight, and anyone who thinks Peter won that fight is nuts IMO.

Toney has been robbed several times. There are only 3 guys who have ever beat Toney. Roy Jones, Sam Peter (a HW), and Dave Tiberi (Toney got one of the biggest gift decisions I've ever seen in that fight).

Toney's style of standing in the pocket and counter punching was just not a good style to win judges, I think a lot of the time judges thought punches that were being slipped were actually landing. There is no way Montell Griffen won those fights.

[boozeboxer]

Toney got absolutely, positively ROBBED against Peter in the first fight, and anyone who thinks Peter won that fight is nuts IMO.

Toney has been robbed several times. There are only 3 guys who have ever beat Toney. Roy Jones, Sam Peter (a HW), and Dave Tiberi (Toney got one of the biggest gift decisions I've ever seen in that fight).

Toney's style of standing in the pocket and counter punching was just not a good style to win judges, I think a lot of the time judges thought punches that were being slipped were actually landing. There is no way Montell Griffen won those fights.

but to be fair Toney has been given a few fights in his day.