Is James Toney Really Finished ?

[boozeboxer]

Toney got absolutely, positively ROBBED against Peter in the first fight, and anyone who thinks Peter won that fight is nuts IMO.

Toney has been robbed several times. There are only 3 guys who have ever beat Toney. Roy Jones, Sam Peter (a HW), and Dave Tiberi (Toney got one of the biggest gift decisions I've ever seen in that fight).

Toney's style of standing in the pocket and counter punching was just not a good style to win judges, I think a lot of the time judges thought punches that were being slipped were actually landing. There is no way Montell Griffen won those fights.

but to be fair Toney has been given a few fights in his day.

[Nameless]

Piss on everyone saying that Toney was a wasted talent. The old fucker was robbed of two heavyweight titles at an old age when he could have retired (on top). The man is a phenom and one of the best boxers ever. Fought over 100 pounds competitively at an elite level from what he started out as. He has ducked nobody and fought everyone. Sure he showed up a few times not prepared and was gifted decisions, but there aren't very many fighters that have fought as many times or as long as he has that hasn't.

One of my favorite heavyweight fights is Toney/Holyfield......man he just OWNED Evander. Everyone wants to ride Holyfields joy toy......but Toney fought all who came.

We all agree that TOney was perhaps one of the best of his generation and that he perhaps got robbed but his lack of conditioning as been extremely expensive, a top shape Toney would have mangled Sam Peters on both occasion without a possible shadow of controversy.

Thought he easily won the first fight on the cards mate. No way he could have ever knocked Peter out so how could he have avoided the screwing he recieved??

PErhaps but mangled the second time big time, if he would be fit, the he would have never dropped the first decision and he wouldn't have been dismantled in the second, the big problem is his super lack of conditionning and the weight he got in the meantime, the guy's talent is phenomenal but he doesn't maximize it and capitalize on a healthy shape. NOw at more or less 40 and out of shape, is chances to get back in the race are thinner than Mr Burn's hairline.