Article: Russia and China warn US that an Israeli attack on Iran means world war...

[Kirkland Laing]

It's impossible for them to be secretly doing anything productive without uranium and the IAEA have the uranium under constant surveillance. Without the uranium, there's no way to make a bomb. It's also really difficult to do anything regarding nuclear production secretly when you've got weapons inspectors and satellites watching everything. Nuclear facilities are big things, you can't just build one without people noticing. And if they ever decided to use that uranium to build a bomb they'd have to kick the inspectors out like North Korea did, giving us six months' notice at the minimum, assuming they don't hit technical problems. And that's six months to build an untested bomb with no delivery system. The whole thing is just sensationalism.

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OK well if you are saying that it's a provable fact that the IAEA has accounted for the worlds supply of Uranium, then I will have to concede this point to you. I'll even concede if it can be proven that there can't possible be any uranium in Iran that the IAEA doesn't know about. Of course, these things can't be proven.

Anyways, we don't disagree on the facts, we seem to disagree on the interpretation. Do we think it is possible that Iran might attempt to deceive and be successful at it? As has been mentioned, trust plays a role. You know where I stand on that.

As for claims of a possible world war, I see it as sabre rattling by the Russkis, but I don't think we need be overly concerned about the Russkis or the Chinese.

time to move on.

[Kirkland Laing]

And we know all the Iranian nuclear scientists. They all went to school in the west to learn the nuke stuff and they're all vetted by our security services before they even are accepted on a course. The inspectors know them all and monitor what they're doing all the time too. We know what their nuke-qualified people are doing all the time. Any serious attempt to build something covertly we'd know about. At best they probably have the outline of a crash-building programme ready to go.

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And we know all the Iranian nuclear scientists. They all went to school in the west to learn the nuke stuff and they're all vetted by our security services before they even are accepted on a course. The inspectors know them all and monitor what they're doing all the time too. We know what their nuke-qualified people are doing all the time. Any serious attempt to build something covertly we'd know about. At best they probably have the outline of a crash-building programme ready to go.

Because we are certain that we know all of the nuke specialists that are on the Iranian payroll?

Anyways, by "we" I assume you mean western governments by virtue of their association with the IAEA.

OK, you've made your point, I don't quite share your confidence in our ability to keep on knowing all the salient facts. But your logic based on these premises is solid.When it comes to consensus, that's as far as I can go.

[Kirkland Laing]

And we know all the Iranian nuclear scientists. They all went to school in the west to learn the nuke stuff and they're all vetted by our security services before they even are accepted on a course. The inspectors know them all and monitor what they're doing all the time too. We know what their nuke-qualified people are doing all the time. Any serious attempt to build something covertly we'd know about. At best they probably have the outline of a crash-building programme ready to go.

Because we are certain that we know all of the nuke specialists that are on the Iranian payroll?

Anyways, by "we" I assume you mean western governments by virtue of their association with the IAEA.

OK, you've made your point, I don't quite share your confidence in our ability to keep on knowing all the salient facts. But your logic based on these premises is solid.When it comes to consensus, that's as far as I can go.

Yes, we do. We know everything about every person who studies nuclear technology in the few western universities that teach the really important stuff, both our own and foreign citizens, and those people all get tracked throughout their careers wherever they go.

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And we know all the Iranian nuclear scientists. They all went to school in the west to learn the nuke stuff and they're all vetted by our security services before they even are accepted on a course. The inspectors know them all and monitor what they're doing all the time too. We know what their nuke-qualified people are doing all the time. Any serious attempt to build something covertly we'd know about. At best they probably have the outline of a crash-building programme ready to go.

Because we are certain that we know all of the nuke specialists that are on the Iranian payroll?

Anyways, by "we" I assume you mean western governments by virtue of their association with the IAEA.

OK, you've made your point, I don't quite share your confidence in our ability to keep on knowing all the salient facts. But your logic based on these premises is solid.When it comes to consensus, that's as far as I can go.

Yes, we do. We know everything about every person who studies nuclear technology in the few western universities that teach the really important stuff, both our own and foreign citizens, and those people all get tracked throughout their careers wherever they go.

right ok, you are certain that we know everything there is to know about the world's supply of uranium, and furthermore we know everything worth knowing about everybody who is working in the field of nuclear technology. I can't believe you are serious. Go ahead and believe it if you want, but don't be too surprised if more than a few people don't fall for this politically motivated horseshit.

[Kirkland Laing]

Because we are certain that we know all of the nuke specialists that are on the Iranian payroll?

Anyways, by "we" I assume you mean western governments by virtue of their association with the IAEA.

OK, you've made your point, I don't quite share your confidence in our ability to keep on knowing all the salient facts. But your logic based on these premises is solid.When it comes to consensus, that's as far as I can go.

Yes, we do. We know everything about every person who studies nuclear technology in the few western universities that teach the really important stuff, both our own and foreign citizens, and those people all get tracked throughout their careers wherever they go.

right ok, you are certain that we know everything there is to know about the world's supply of uranium, and furthermore we know everything worth knowing about everybody who is working in the field of nuclear technology. I can't believe you are serious. Go ahead and believe it if you want, but don't be too surprised if more than a few people don't fall for this politically motivated horseshit.

There are only a small number of scientists in the world with the knowledge to build nuclear weapons. The knowledge is carefully controlled and restricted to people that the western security services know all about. Every single person with that knowledge is carefully monitored throughout their career and they can only get that knowledge by their country having signed the non-proliferation treaty, which puts huge conditions and regulations on any country signing it. Like Iran! Iran signed the nonproliferation traty and that's how we know all their nuclear scientists, have been monitoring their nuclear programme since it started, etc. And they still haven't done a single thing that they're not allowed to do under the terms of that treaty! They still haven't broken it! All the scare stories rely on them breaking the terms of the treaty they signed and they haven't shown any signs of doing that.

Here's somebody else who isn't falling for the politically motivated horseshit, the US intelligence community. Here's the latest US intel estimate on Iran and theydon't think Iran are trying to build a bomb either.

http://www.dni.gov/press_releases/20071203_release.pdf

They say Iran stopped any programme to build a weapon in 2003.

ere's an American intel guy making the same point recently :

Official stands by Iran nuke report - Washington Times

So the politically motivated bs is coming from people claiming Iran is a threat.