When Pacquiao beats Cotto

[OumaFan]

Hatton got beat because he was Ricky Hatton, I still have yet to see what he did that was so out of character in the Manny fight. He spent his career lunging in with the left hook. Manny is an all time great and Hatton was a good champion who couldn't hang, no shame in that, he only got beat by the best. And Luis Collazo Nah I actually scored that for Ricky.

[amat]

Life would be so much easier if I was just a fair weather boxing fan who watched boxing a dozen times a year, would make my life easier.

I like Pacquiao but people get so damned carried away. The win over Hatton was awesome and what he was supposed to do. He kept the fight in the center of the ring and he picked Ricky off as Ricky lunged in. Pac stepped up to the challenge and Ricky Hatton didn't. He may have trained well and been in top shape but tactically he was the same fighter. Following Roach's plan, I'm sure it came easy to Pacquiao especially with his sharp punching.

Against De La Hoya he had a flatfooted fighter who couldn't cope with Pac's speed and accuracy. Hatton or De La Hoya, neither were Cotto. No question this is his hardest fight yet. It just sucks that Cotto's biggest flaws are some of Pacquiao's biggest advantages but Cotto is fully capable of pulling this off. It is no certainty, Taeth you of all people should know it is foolish to assume ANYTHING in boxing.

[Taeth]

A flat-footed Oscar De La Hoya is faster than Cotto on his toes, he doesn't move quickly.

+ if you are talking about me, I watch more fights than 90% of hte people on here. Just because I spent more time watching the top end guys, or the guys who are up and coming wiht potential, doesn't mean I don't watch as much as you guys who watch c or d level guys a lot.

I read shit like JT is spouting that Pacquiao has never been tested above 135, then I guess Oscar's fights against Steve Forbes, Mayorga, and Mayweather count for nothing. It had absolutely nothing to do with how good Pacquiao that he won the way he did against Oscar. Or how he beat Ricky Hatton. Who is better than Ricky Hatton at 140? Nobody.

Who is better than Cotto who is still active at welterweight? Nobody.
Yes I think Cotto is better than more athletic guys like MOsley, Berto, and Zab Judah, but none of them are as good as Pacquiao.

People say I always pick the athlete, but I remember of late picking Oscar over Pacquiao, I thought Hatton-Pacquiao was going to be tough, but I was wrong both times, and even Pacquiao-Diaz I thought was going to be a really tough fight for Manny, because I thought he would be an easy target, but I was wrong.

You guys say I am getting carried away with Manny? I am not the one who things Cotto is a superb counter puncher. He's good at it, but its definitely not his bread and butter.

I am not assuming 100% that Manny wins, but I am sure like I was with Hopkins-Pavlik, Mayweather vs anyone(except Maybe Pacquiao), Calzaghe-Jones.

Pacquiao will win, but I already have my answer in regards to people. I already know 90% of you who don't like Manny will have excuses just like you did after he beat ODLH and Hatton. All I have to say is look back 3 years, I used to hate Manny, and there is a reason why I don't anymore, he has changed my mind.

IMO this isn't Manny's hardest fight, Marquez, Morales, and Barrera as complete fighters all brought more to the table than Cotto. I think Cotto is a great fighter, but his lack of durablity IMO takes him off ATG charts. Despite his great heart, he is too easy to hit, and too easy to hurt.

[ElTerribleMorales]

A flat-footed Oscar De La Hoya is faster than Cotto on his toes, he doesn't move quickly.

+ if you are talking about me, I watch more fights than 90% of hte people on here. Just because I spent more time watching the top end guys, or the guys who are up and coming wiht potential, doesn't mean I don't watch as much as you guys who watch c or d level guys a lot.

I read shit like JT is spouting that Pacquiao has never been tested above 135, then I guess Oscar's fights against Steve Forbes, Mayorga, and Mayweather count for nothing. It had absolutely nothing to do with how good Pacquiao that he won the way he did against Oscar. Or how he beat Ricky Hatton. Who is better than Ricky Hatton at 140? Nobody.

Who is better than Cotto who is still active at welterweight? Nobody.
Yes I think Cotto is better than more athletic guys like MOsley, Berto, and Zab Judah, but none of them are as good as Pacquiao.

People say I always pick the athlete, but I remember of late picking Oscar over Pacquiao, I thought Hatton-Pacquiao was going to be tough, but I was wrong both times, and even Pacquiao-Diaz I thought was going to be a really tough fight for Manny, because I thought he would be an easy target, but I was wrong.

You guys say I am getting carried away with Manny? I am not the one who things Cotto is a superb counter puncher. He's good at it, but its definitely not his bread and butter.

I am not assuming 100% that Manny wins, but I am sure like I was with Hopkins-Pavlik, Mayweather vs anyone(except Maybe Pacquiao), Calzaghe-Jones.

Pacquiao will win, but I already have my answer in regards to people. I already know 90% of you who don't like Manny will have excuses just like you did after he beat ODLH and Hatton. All I have to say is look back 3 years, I used to hate Manny, and there is a reason why I don't anymore, he has changed my mind.

IMO this isn't Manny's hardest fight, Marquez, Morales, and Barrera as complete fighters all brought more to the table than Cotto. I think Cotto is a great fighter, but his lack of durablity IMO takes him off ATG charts. Despite his great heart, he is too easy to hit, and too easy to hurt.

Manny isn't too hard to find himself, and is completely ineffective while being backed up, which IMO he'll be doing plenty of against Cotto

[OumaFan]

A flat-footed Oscar De La Hoya is faster than Cotto on his toes, he doesn't move quickly.

+ if you are talking about me, I watch more fights than 90% of hte people on here. Just because I spent more time watching the top end guys, or the guys who are up and coming wiht potential, doesn't mean I don't watch as much as you guys who watch c or d level guys a lot.

I read shit like JT is spouting that Pacquiao has never been tested above 135, then I guess Oscar's fights against Steve Forbes, Mayorga, and Mayweather count for nothing. It had absolutely nothing to do with how good Pacquiao that he won the way he did against Oscar. Or how he beat Ricky Hatton. Who is better than Ricky Hatton at 140? Nobody.

Who is better than Cotto who is still active at welterweight? Nobody.
Yes I think Cotto is better than more athletic guys like MOsley, Berto, and Zab Judah, but none of them are as good as Pacquiao.

People say I always pick the athlete, but I remember of late picking Oscar over Pacquiao, I thought Hatton-Pacquiao was going to be tough, but I was wrong both times, and even Pacquiao-Diaz I thought was going to be a really tough fight for Manny, because I thought he would be an easy target, but I was wrong.

You guys say I am getting carried away with Manny? I am not the one who things Cotto is a superb counter puncher. He's good at it, but its definitely not his bread and butter.

I am not assuming 100% that Manny wins, but I am sure like I was with Hopkins-Pavlik, Mayweather vs anyone(except Maybe Pacquiao), Calzaghe-Jones.

Pacquiao will win, but I already have my answer in regards to people. I already know 90% of you who don't like Manny will have excuses just like you did after he beat ODLH and Hatton. All I have to say is look back 3 years, I used to hate Manny, and there is a reason why I don't anymore, he has changed my mind.

IMO this isn't Manny's hardest fight, Marquez, Morales, and Barrera as complete fighters all brought more to the table than Cotto. I think Cotto is a great fighter, but his lack of durablity IMO takes him off ATG charts. Despite his great heart, he is too easy to hit, and too easy to hurt.

Manny isn't too hard to find himself, and is completely ineffective while being backed up, which IMO he'll be doing plenty of against Cotto

Not true. Maybe old Manny but the newer version has added great movement and can fight on the back foot. Anyway he moves side to side more than he does straight back.

[ElTerribleMorales]

A flat-footed Oscar De La Hoya is faster than Cotto on his toes, he doesn't move quickly.

+ if you are talking about me, I watch more fights than 90% of hte people on here. Just because I spent more time watching the top end guys, or the guys who are up and coming wiht potential, doesn't mean I don't watch as much as you guys who watch c or d level guys a lot.

I read shit like JT is spouting that Pacquiao has never been tested above 135, then I guess Oscar's fights against Steve Forbes, Mayorga, and Mayweather count for nothing. It had absolutely nothing to do with how good Pacquiao that he won the way he did against Oscar. Or how he beat Ricky Hatton. Who is better than Ricky Hatton at 140? Nobody.

Who is better than Cotto who is still active at welterweight? Nobody.
Yes I think Cotto is better than more athletic guys like MOsley, Berto, and Zab Judah, but none of them are as good as Pacquiao.

People say I always pick the athlete, but I remember of late picking Oscar over Pacquiao, I thought Hatton-Pacquiao was going to be tough, but I was wrong both times, and even Pacquiao-Diaz I thought was going to be a really tough fight for Manny, because I thought he would be an easy target, but I was wrong.

You guys say I am getting carried away with Manny? I am not the one who things Cotto is a superb counter puncher. He's good at it, but its definitely not his bread and butter.

I am not assuming 100% that Manny wins, but I am sure like I was with Hopkins-Pavlik, Mayweather vs anyone(except Maybe Pacquiao), Calzaghe-Jones.

Pacquiao will win, but I already have my answer in regards to people. I already know 90% of you who don't like Manny will have excuses just like you did after he beat ODLH and Hatton. All I have to say is look back 3 years, I used to hate Manny, and there is a reason why I don't anymore, he has changed my mind.

IMO this isn't Manny's hardest fight, Marquez, Morales, and Barrera as complete fighters all brought more to the table than Cotto. I think Cotto is a great fighter, but his lack of durablity IMO takes him off ATG charts. Despite his great heart, he is too easy to hit, and too easy to hurt.

Manny isn't too hard to find himself, and is completely ineffective while being backed up, which IMO he'll be doing plenty of against Cotto

Not true. Maybe old Manny but the newer version has added great movement and can fight on the back foot. Anyway he moves side to side more than he does straight back.

Pacquiao even did it in the Hatton fight, he jumped straight back into the ropes, i can guarantee you that if he does that crap of getting on the ropes against Cotto he's gonna pay a dear price

[amat]

No doubt Pacquiao is much better at using angles both in his attack and in his defense. In the De La Hoya fight he was excellent at backing out intelligently, never at the same angle and he never let De La Hoya get a countershot in.

[OumaFan]

LOL I'm not arguing that he doesn't move back from time to time, who doesn't? Saying he's "completely ineffective" when he's getting backed up is what I'm arguing, that's way off. He let Hatton take the lead, he moved and fought off his back foot some and that worked out ok

[MIKAY]

Manny isn't too hard to find himself, and is completely ineffective while being backed up, which IMO he'll be doing plenty of against Cotto

Not true. Maybe old Manny but the newer version has added great movement and can fight on the back foot. Anyway he moves side to side more than he does straight back.

Pacquiao even did it in the Hatton fight, he jumped straight back into the ropes, i can guarantee you that if he does that crap of getting on the ropes against Cotto he's gonna pay a dear price

Gotto to agree with that. Hatton did Tag Pac abit while the fight lasted but Pac had way to much fire power and skill for Ricky. On the other hand if Cotto is able to cut Manny off, and likely will if Hatton can, hes in for some real pain.

This one is up in the air. No one can say Mannys gonna win or Cotto's gonna win as there are too many variables. Going to be a hell of a fight.

[Taeth]

Manny isn't too hard to find himself, and is completely ineffective while being backed up, which IMO he'll be doing plenty of against Cotto

Not true. Maybe old Manny but the newer version has added great movement and can fight on the back foot. Anyway he moves side to side more than he does straight back.

Pacquiao even did it in the Hatton fight, he jumped straight back into the ropes, i can guarantee you that if he does that crap of getting on the ropes against Cotto he's gonna pay a dear price

Thats such bullshit, first of all Manny has been hit around 20% against both Hatton and Oscar which is right around where they connected on Mayweather, I am not saying that he is as good defensively as MAyweather, but the only guy who has connected on him easily in the past 5-6 fights is Marquez, and thats because of Marquez's speed and coutnering ability which are both beyond Cotto's.

Morales couldn't do it in their last fight, Solis didn't land solidly a whole lot, David Diaz couldn't, Barrera couldn't, ODLH couldn't, and Hatton couldn't.

Also Pacquiao was backing up against both Hatton and ODLH and he landed fine against htem, he was backing up against David Diaz, and he landed fine against him. Maybe you guys should watch more tape of the fighters in question and stop asking me why I don't watch guys who have 16-9 records.

Also Manny was also caught on the ropes once or twice against ODLH who hits harder than Cotto, and he wasn't stopped. Hatton didn't bother him when he caught on the ropes(which in part is because Hatton is way faster of foot than Cotto which I have said 100000 times).

[OumaFan]

A flat-footed Oscar De La Hoya is faster than Cotto on his toes, he doesn't move quickly.

+ if you are talking about me, I watch more fights than 90% of hte people on here. Just because I spent more time watching the top end guys, or the guys who are up and coming wiht potential, doesn't mean I don't watch as much as you guys who watch c or d level guys a lot.

I read shit like JT is spouting that Pacquiao has never been tested above 135, then I guess Oscar's fights against Steve Forbes, Mayorga, and Mayweather count for nothing. It had absolutely nothing to do with how good Pacquiao that he won the way he did against Oscar. Or how he beat Ricky Hatton. Who is better than Ricky Hatton at 140? Nobody.

Who is better than Cotto who is still active at welterweight? Nobody.
Yes I think Cotto is better than more athletic guys like MOsley, Berto, and Zab Judah, but none of them are as good as Pacquiao.

People say I always pick the athlete, but I remember of late picking Oscar over Pacquiao, I thought Hatton-Pacquiao was going to be tough, but I was wrong both times, and even Pacquiao-Diaz I thought was going to be a really tough fight for Manny, because I thought he would be an easy target, but I was wrong.

You guys say I am getting carried away with Manny? I am not the one who things Cotto is a superb counter puncher. He's good at it, but its definitely not his bread and butter.

I am not assuming 100% that Manny wins, but I am sure like I was with Hopkins-Pavlik, Mayweather vs anyone(except Maybe Pacquiao), Calzaghe-Jones.

Pacquiao will win, but I already have my answer in regards to people. I already know 90% of you who don't like Manny will have excuses just like you did after he beat ODLH and Hatton. All I have to say is look back 3 years, I used to hate Manny, and there is a reason why I don't anymore, he has changed my mind.

IMO this isn't Manny's hardest fight, Marquez, Morales, and Barrera as complete fighters all brought more to the table than Cotto. I think Cotto is a great fighter, but his lack of durablity IMO takes him off ATG charts. Despite his great heart, he is too easy to hit, and too easy to hurt.

Err, yeah I think it kinda does. Because the majority of the really hardcore fans that watch all of the "D and C level fights" also watch the big names and prospects that you watch. They don't consciously limit themselves to fighters Taeth thinks are crap.

[Taeth]

A flat-footed Oscar De La Hoya is faster than Cotto on his toes, he doesn't move quickly.

+ if you are talking about me, I watch more fights than 90% of hte people on here. Just because I spent more time watching the top end guys, or the guys who are up and coming wiht potential, doesn't mean I don't watch as much as you guys who watch c or d level guys a lot.

I read shit like JT is spouting that Pacquiao has never been tested above 135, then I guess Oscar's fights against Steve Forbes, Mayorga, and Mayweather count for nothing. It had absolutely nothing to do with how good Pacquiao that he won the way he did against Oscar. Or how he beat Ricky Hatton. Who is better than Ricky Hatton at 140? Nobody.

Who is better than Cotto who is still active at welterweight? Nobody.
Yes I think Cotto is better than more athletic guys like MOsley, Berto, and Zab Judah, but none of them are as good as Pacquiao.

People say I always pick the athlete, but I remember of late picking Oscar over Pacquiao, I thought Hatton-Pacquiao was going to be tough, but I was wrong both times, and even Pacquiao-Diaz I thought was going to be a really tough fight for Manny, because I thought he would be an easy target, but I was wrong.

You guys say I am getting carried away with Manny? I am not the one who things Cotto is a superb counter puncher. He's good at it, but its definitely not his bread and butter.

I am not assuming 100% that Manny wins, but I am sure like I was with Hopkins-Pavlik, Mayweather vs anyone(except Maybe Pacquiao), Calzaghe-Jones.

Pacquiao will win, but I already have my answer in regards to people. I already know 90% of you who don't like Manny will have excuses just like you did after he beat ODLH and Hatton. All I have to say is look back 3 years, I used to hate Manny, and there is a reason why I don't anymore, he has changed my mind.

IMO this isn't Manny's hardest fight, Marquez, Morales, and Barrera as complete fighters all brought more to the table than Cotto. I think Cotto is a great fighter, but his lack of durablity IMO takes him off ATG charts. Despite his great heart, he is too easy to hit, and too easy to hurt.

Err, yeah I think it kinda does. Because the majority of the really hardcore fans that watch all of the "D and C level fights" also watch the big names and prospects that you watch. They don't consciously limit themselves to fighters Taeth thinks are crap.

Why would I want to watch fighters I think are crap? I am not telling you not to, but I watch the fighters we are talking about way more often than you guys do. Whats the point in watching fighters that aren't talented? I don't mind in person, but on TV they are boring.

[OumaFan]

A flat-footed Oscar De La Hoya is faster than Cotto on his toes, he doesn't move quickly.

+ if you are talking about me, I watch more fights than 90% of hte people on here. Just because I spent more time watching the top end guys, or the guys who are up and coming wiht potential, doesn't mean I don't watch as much as you guys who watch c or d level guys a lot.

I read shit like JT is spouting that Pacquiao has never been tested above 135, then I guess Oscar's fights against Steve Forbes, Mayorga, and Mayweather count for nothing. It had absolutely nothing to do with how good Pacquiao that he won the way he did against Oscar. Or how he beat Ricky Hatton. Who is better than Ricky Hatton at 140? Nobody.

Who is better than Cotto who is still active at welterweight? Nobody.
Yes I think Cotto is better than more athletic guys like MOsley, Berto, and Zab Judah, but none of them are as good as Pacquiao.

People say I always pick the athlete, but I remember of late picking Oscar over Pacquiao, I thought Hatton-Pacquiao was going to be tough, but I was wrong both times, and even Pacquiao-Diaz I thought was going to be a really tough fight for Manny, because I thought he would be an easy target, but I was wrong.

You guys say I am getting carried away with Manny? I am not the one who things Cotto is a superb counter puncher. He's good at it, but its definitely not his bread and butter.

I am not assuming 100% that Manny wins, but I am sure like I was with Hopkins-Pavlik, Mayweather vs anyone(except Maybe Pacquiao), Calzaghe-Jones.

Pacquiao will win, but I already have my answer in regards to people. I already know 90% of you who don't like Manny will have excuses just like you did after he beat ODLH and Hatton. All I have to say is look back 3 years, I used to hate Manny, and there is a reason why I don't anymore, he has changed my mind.

IMO this isn't Manny's hardest fight, Marquez, Morales, and Barrera as complete fighters all brought more to the table than Cotto. I think Cotto is a great fighter, but his lack of durablity IMO takes him off ATG charts. Despite his great heart, he is too easy to hit, and too easy to hurt.

Err, yeah I think it kinda does. Because the majority of the really hardcore fans that watch all of the "D and C level fights" also watch the big names and prospects that you watch. They don't consciously limit themselves to fighters Taeth thinks are crap.

Why would I want to watch fighters I think are crap? I am not telling you not to, but I watch the fighters we are talking about way more often than you guys do. Whats the point in watching fighters that aren't talented? I don't mind in person, but on TV they are boring.

That's not my point. I could care less who you watch. I was just saying that if somebody watches all the big fights, past and present, all the big prospects, and the "d and c level guys" then they're going to have watched more boxing than you. Not that I care a great deal either way.

[Taeth]

They will have watched more individual fights, but not more fighting, I carry it on my ipod and I don't have to be in front of the tv to watch boxing. People can watch all the shitty fighters they want, I would challenge if it wasn't ridiculous anyone in how many times they've watched certain Mayweather or Pacquiao, or even Cotto fights.

I watch past and present fights, and especially older fights of good fighters. I just don't watch crappy fighters.

Also Ouma, congrats on picking those fights, but those are fights people in general thought would be blow outs the other way where I have disagreed, I am usually right on who I think is going to win, and often how.

[amat]

A flat-footed Oscar De La Hoya is faster than Cotto on his toes, he doesn't move quickly.

+ if you are talking about me, I watch more fights than 90% of hte people on here. Just because I spent more time watching the top end guys, or the guys who are up and coming wiht potential, doesn't mean I don't watch as much as you guys who watch c or d level guys a lot.

I read shit like JT is spouting that Pacquiao has never been tested above 135, then I guess Oscar's fights against Steve Forbes, Mayorga, and Mayweather count for nothing. It had absolutely nothing to do with how good Pacquiao that he won the way he did against Oscar. Or how he beat Ricky Hatton. Who is better than Ricky Hatton at 140? Nobody.

Who is better than Cotto who is still active at welterweight? Nobody.
Yes I think Cotto is better than more athletic guys like MOsley, Berto, and Zab Judah, but none of them are as good as Pacquiao.

People say I always pick the athlete, but I remember of late picking Oscar over Pacquiao, I thought Hatton-Pacquiao was going to be tough, but I was wrong both times, and even Pacquiao-Diaz I thought was going to be a really tough fight for Manny, because I thought he would be an easy target, but I was wrong.

You guys say I am getting carried away with Manny? I am not the one who things Cotto is a superb counter puncher. He's good at it, but its definitely not his bread and butter.

I am not assuming 100% that Manny wins, but I am sure like I was with Hopkins-Pavlik, Mayweather vs anyone(except Maybe Pacquiao), Calzaghe-Jones.

Pacquiao will win, but I already have my answer in regards to people. I already know 90% of you who don't like Manny will have excuses just like you did after he beat ODLH and Hatton. All I have to say is look back 3 years, I used to hate Manny, and there is a reason why I don't anymore, he has changed my mind.

IMO this isn't Manny's hardest fight, Marquez, Morales, and Barrera as complete fighters all brought more to the table than Cotto. I think Cotto is a great fighter, but his lack of durablity IMO takes him off ATG charts. Despite his great heart, he is too easy to hit, and too easy to hurt.

Taeth how do you know you watch 90% more fights then anybody else on here? That isn't going to endear you to anyone here and just makes you sound pompous. There are a lot of people here who are clued in who don't give a shit how much boxing you think you watch. Also, I'm sure there are people who have watched A LOT more boxing then you who you think you know a lot more then. Why the insecurity?

Anyways, I think you are trippin hard if you think Oscar was faster then what Cotto will be. Maybe old school Oscar who could rip those combinations off so quickly but not the Oscar who couldn't "pull the trigger" against Pacquiao, especially on the feet.

You might be right that Morales and Marquez are both harder on Pacquiao but he lost to both of those guys. I agree that Cotto is there to be hit, and it's not exactly a tossup fight but Cotto is far from eliminated.