At the risk of boxing blasphemy

[Kev]

I think underneath of all of this is a serious discussion about Lopez. About ranking people because of how good you think they are versus pure resume. Because he is WAY up there on some people's lists, light years past where he would be if you looked at pure resume. There are some obvious comparisons with Calzaghe whether or not Lopez was the smoother technician or not, did he ever fight anybody as good as a 44 year old Bernard Hopkins? Did he ever fight anybody as bad as an old Roy?

You say that as if you mean take away my idiot rantings, it's an ok topic but I've said nothing unreasonable at all in this thread, merely asked questions, been up front about my own lack of first hand knowledge and wanted to know why he was rated so highly, as I don't know anybody on his record, and nearly every great fighter nowadays conquers several divisions.

It's a fair question.

One possibility I think is the 'penis extension argument' whereby men like to have certain hardcore knowledge that elevates them above other men.

In the case of boxing I think guys like Ricardo Lopez are supreme, because they are very little known if at all to the casual fan, and even regular boxing fans like myself may not have seen him.

So by talking about such fighters as if they were better than the current lot of popular fighters, it gives the more hardcore fan the satisfaction of superior knowledge, kind of like a film nerd who takes satisfaction in naming some obscure film like Shichinin no samurai as the greatest ever as he knows the common masses won't have seen it and so must yeild to his greater knowledge of the subject............

[killersheep]

I've said nothing unreasonable at all in this thread[/B],

One possibility I think is the 'penis extension argument' whereby men like to have certain hardcore knowledge that elevates them above other men.

You said

Dominating the minimum weight division shouldn't really be considered a great thing as the level of competition down there is hardly noteworthy, it's like being the best team in the Civil Service football five aside league, doesn't mean a whole lot in the scheme of things.

Which implies you are aware of the abilities of the fighters in that division enough to pass judgement.
And would mean that this is a direct contradiction.

I admit I know next to nothing about him so am not stating he is overated just asking for people to tell me why he is not.

And then to the more unreasonable statement.................

If he was THAT good surely he could have at least gone up to super bantamweight or something.

So to be great he would have to jump 5 weight classes, by that rational that only all time greats are PAC, ODLH and PBF.

I know you like to try to kick my dick in the dirt by skirting issues with talk of penises, but it's clear to see where you are
heading when you start a thread like this. I do appreciate you assuming I would come back with name calling though, clearly
that's all I do here.

[OumaFan]

Bilbo you were doing all right till right after you said I've said nothing unreasonable in this thread

"In the case of boxing I think guys like Ricardo Lopez are supreme, because they are very little known if at all to the casual fan, and even regular boxing fans like myself may not have seen him.


So by talking about such fighters as if they were better than the current lot of popular fighters, it gives the more hardcore fan the satisfaction of superior knowledge, kind of like a film nerd who takes satisfaction in naming some obscure film like Shichinin no samurai as the greatest ever as he knows the common masses won't have seen it and so must yeild to his greater knowledge of the subject............"

But is it just me or do you seem to extend this argument to whenever somebody talks about how good they think some smaller fighter is?

Things aren't always so complicated, Ricardo Lopez is just good.

I would never argue against that, he was technically pretty amazing, my only argument is ranking him among certain guys like, just off the top of my head, Thomas Hearns who knocked out Roberto Duran, who beat Benitez, etc. Unfortunately he never got those fights although he fought some good opposition.

For fuck's sake, its impossible to listen to a soccer game in the background with a spanish announcer, you think something big's happening every five seconds.