Bilbo you were doing all right till right after you said I've said nothing unreasonable in this thread

"In the case of boxing I think guys like Ricardo Lopez are supreme, because they are very little known if at all to the casual fan, and even regular boxing fans like myself may not have seen him.


So by talking about such fighters as if they were better than the current lot of popular fighters, it gives the more hardcore fan the satisfaction of superior knowledge, kind of like a film nerd who takes satisfaction in naming some obscure film like Shichinin no samurai as the greatest ever as he knows the common masses won't have seen it and so must yeild to his greater knowledge of the subject............"

But is it just me or do you seem to extend this argument to whenever somebody talks about how good they think some smaller fighter is?

Things aren't always so complicated, Ricardo Lopez is just good.

I would never argue against that, he was technically pretty amazing, my only argument is ranking him among certain guys like, just off the top of my head, Thomas Hearns who knocked out Roberto Duran, who beat Benitez, etc. Unfortunately he never got those fights although he fought some good opposition.

For fuck's sake, its impossible to listen to a soccer game in the background with a spanish announcer, you think something big's happening every five seconds.