Who comes close to being a "perfect fighter?"

[johnmaff36]

I'd say who comes close to being the perfect fighter I will go on the edge and say the perfect fighters are Rocky Marciano,Ricardo Lopez,Joe Calzaghe (at the moment). Yes there are all undefeated and sure they have flaws but that's what works in this sport. Do what your good at and keep at it. If I am a power punching heavyweight am I going to simply concentrate on footwork and ring generalship? These three are the perfect fighter's. No Marciano didn't have great foot speed and didn't really look good in the ring but he got it to work with him.

Ricardo Lopez a tremendous gifted looking fighter no he didn't move up in weight to really dazzle us to see how far he could go up in weight and multiple different belts. Is that really a flaw?

Now I know people will really rip into me with Joe Calzaghe but did he not beat everyone also put in front of him and do it pretty easily I must say. Sure he didn't have Marciano's pop or Lopez's ring smarts but damn he sure as hell slapped the hell out of opponent's.

These are my perfect fighter's any flaws that you seen with these fighter's they made it work to the advantage, Hence the reason for their zero losses.

With respect, i can understand you vouching for marciano and lopez, but calzaghe? JC was an above average champ at best, certainly no all-time great. I saw JC slag off Roy Jones jnr as, and i quote, "finished 4 or 5 years ago" and i agreed with him. He was right, jones was finished. But to turn round 6 months later (after he signed to fight him)and try to say that Jones still had gas in the tank is nothing short of insulting peoples intelligence. Have a look at his defences and tell me how many were in the top 10 of the other, more prestigeous governing bodies. I may be wrong but i counted 6. Now im not here to slag off calzaghe as he comes across as a decent enough guy and the name of the game is to make as much money as you can and get out with your senses intact, but to claim to be an all-time great is nonsense. Some people point to his unbeaten(and well padded) record but another british guy from basildon called terry marsh was an unbeaten world champion and im sure he wouldnt claim to be a superstar. Nowadays unbeaten records dont carry the clout they once did. Can you imagine if Valeuv hadnt lost to chagrev (i think) he'd have now broken marcianos record!!! Blasphemy!

[The Fightfan]

I'd say who comes close to being the perfect fighter I will go on the edge and say the perfect fighters are Rocky Marciano,Ricardo Lopez,Joe Calzaghe (at the moment). Yes there are all undefeated and sure they have flaws but that's what works in this sport. Do what your good at and keep at it. If I am a power punching heavyweight am I going to simply concentrate on footwork and ring generalship? These three are the perfect fighter's. No Marciano didn't have great foot speed and didn't really look good in the ring but he got it to work with him.

Ricardo Lopez a tremendous gifted looking fighter no he didn't move up in weight to really dazzle us to see how far he could go up in weight and multiple different belts. Is that really a flaw?

Now I know people will really rip into me with Joe Calzaghe but did he not beat everyone also put in front of him and do it pretty easily I must say. Sure he didn't have Marciano's pop or Lopez's ring smarts but damn he sure as hell slapped the hell out of opponent's.

These are my perfect fighter's any flaws that you seen with these fighter's they made it work to the advantage, Hence the reason for their zero losses.

With respect, i can understand you vouching for marciano and lopez, but calzaghe? JC was an above average champ at best, certainly no all-time great. I saw JC slag off Roy Jones jnr as, and i quote, "finished 4 or 5 years ago" and i agreed with him. He was right, jones was finished. But to turn round 6 months later (after he signed to fight him)and try to say that Jones still had gas in the tank is nothing short of insulting peoples intelligence. Have a look at his defences and tell me how many were in the top 10 of the other, more prestigeous governing bodies. I may be wrong but i counted 6. Now im not here to slag off calzaghe as he comes across as a decent enough guy and the name of the game is to make as much money as you can and get out with your senses intact, but to claim to be an all-time great is nonsense. Some people point to his unbeaten(and well padded) record but another british guy from basildon called terry marsh was an unbeaten world champion and im sure he wouldnt claim to be a superstar. Nowadays unbeaten records dont carry the clout they once did. Can you imagine if Valeuv hadnt lost to chagrev (i think) he'd have now broken marcianos record!!! Blasphemy!

I understand but you do have to also say Calzaghe beat everyone in front of him. He did his job and a prime Kessler if I am not mistaken and a prime Jeff Lacy. These two were no slouches. You can't blame Calzaghe who he fight's or doesn't fight he was a champion for a long period of time and did exactley what he was supposed to and beat everyone in front of him. Do also remember he beat the legend B-Hop convincingly and then B-Hop being embarrassed fought Kelly Pavlik and beat him easily. Calzaghe IMO is completley underrated on these boards. I would have put him in with any of the supermiddle's of his era and have him win.

[ICB]

Donald Curry at one time looked like he had all the tools.

[MGG]

Donald Curry at one time looked like he had all the tools.

Was it not Mike McCallum that took him apart? Wait Honeygan did first.
I remember Curry being touted as the next superstar, he certainly had the goods.

[hackey]

I'll throw into the mix Vitali Klitschko because I can't see him mentioned.

Perfect Chin
Excellent Power
Excellent Stamina and Conditioning
Technically Sound
Great Heart
Good Speed
Perfect Size
Great Movement

if you had to design a heavyweight you'd pretty much come up with him imo


How does Pernell Whitaker fair in this as well?

[southpawed]

pernell whitaker.

the tools he possessed and the way he used them. amazes me everytime i watch his fights.

[TheBranMan]

I don't think there's such a thing. Simply because styles make fights. Unconventional fighters with great athletic talents, like Roy Jones (in his prime) would take a very solid and superior boxer and make them look stupid.
In terms of a perfect boxer/technical fighter. Floyd has a style that makes him very hard to beat. If he can't take you out through safely boxing, he'll make sure that his remarkable speed makes you unable to catch him without paying. It'll be interesting it see how he does on March 13 against a smart, tough southpaw with similar speed. Still, I think Manny will be too aggressive to beat Floyd.. and there's no way in hell he'd be able to out-box him. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are ways to beat Floyd, Castillo did expose some weakness in his style (although the rematch proves it was not nearly enough). Sooner or later someone will find the last piece to the puzzle, although I doubt it'll be Manny.

[ICB]

pernell whitaker.

the tools he possessed and the way he used them. amazes me everytime i watch his fights.

Yup he also had underrated toughness, the only thing he probably didn't have was power. But that was also underrated aswell, who could forget his brutal KO of Diosbelys Hurtado, damn that still gives me a chill down my spine thinking about it.

[johnmaff36]

I'd say who comes close to being the perfect fighter I will go on the edge and say the perfect fighters are Rocky Marciano,Ricardo Lopez,Joe Calzaghe (at the moment). Yes there are all undefeated and sure they have flaws but that's what works in this sport. Do what your good at and keep at it. If I am a power punching heavyweight am I going to simply concentrate on footwork and ring generalship? These three are the perfect fighter's. No Marciano didn't have great foot speed and didn't really look good in the ring but he got it to work with him.

Ricardo Lopez a tremendous gifted looking fighter no he didn't move up in weight to really dazzle us to see how far he could go up in weight and multiple different belts. Is that really a flaw?

Now I know people will really rip into me with Joe Calzaghe but did he not beat everyone also put in front of him and do it pretty easily I must say. Sure he didn't have Marciano's pop or Lopez's ring smarts but damn he sure as hell slapped the hell out of opponent's.

These are my perfect fighter's any flaws that you seen with these fighter's they made it work to the advantage, Hence the reason for their zero losses.

With respect, i can understand you vouching for marciano and lopez, but calzaghe? JC was an above average champ at best, certainly no all-time great. I saw JC slag off Roy Jones jnr as, and i quote, "finished 4 or 5 years ago" and i agreed with him. He was right, jones was finished. But to turn round 6 months later (after he signed to fight him)and try to say that Jones still had gas in the tank is nothing short of insulting peoples intelligence. Have a look at his defences and tell me how many were in the top 10 of the other, more prestigeous governing bodies. I may be wrong but i counted 6. Now im not here to slag off calzaghe as he comes across as a decent enough guy and the name of the game is to make as much money as you can and get out with your senses intact, but to claim to be an all-time great is nonsense. Some people point to his unbeaten(and well padded) record but another british guy from basildon called terry marsh was an unbeaten world champion and im sure he wouldnt claim to be a superstar. Nowadays unbeaten records dont carry the clout they once did. Can you imagine if Valeuv hadnt lost to chagrev (i think) he'd have now broken marcianos record!!! Blasphemy!

I understand but you do have to also say Calzaghe beat everyone in front of him. He did his job and a prime Kessler if I am not mistaken and a prime Jeff Lacy. These two were no slouches. You can't blame Calzaghe who he fight's or doesn't fight he was a champion for a long period of time and did exactley what he was supposed to and beat everyone in front of him. Do also remember he beat the legend B-Hop convincingly and then B-Hop being embarrassed fought Kelly Pavlik and beat him easily. Calzaghe IMO is completley underrated on these boards. I would have put him in with any of the supermiddle's of his era and have him win.

yeah, thats fair enough, JC did beat everynoe put in front of him. Makes it a whole lot easier though,if you can handpick who is put in front of you.