Cotto's welterweight belt is on the line!!!

[Diane]

Good!!

It's not on the line.


Pacquiao-Cotto: No WBO Title at Stake, Says Arum - Boxing News

[generalbulldog]

Good!!

It's not on the line.


Pacquiao-Cotto: No WBO Title at Stake, Says Arum - Boxing News

There you have it. So now the people can go back to b-itching about the catchweight instead.

[match]

You almost have to wonder why there's still even weight divisions any more since so many fights lately take place at catch weights.

[Kev]

You almost have to wonder why there's still even weight divisions any more since so many fights lately take place at catch weights.

Catchweights only occur when champions from different divisions meet. It's not big deal imo. Hopkins was 175 champ Pavlik 160, meet at 170 why is that a problem? Nobody really gives a tuppeny fuck about an alphabet belt anyway.

@ Killersheep, I didn't understand your point about a 145 lb not being valid as a welterweight fight. If a fighter wishes to weigh in at 145 he is perfectly allowed to, he can weigh in at at 141 if he likes.

You keep talking about the rules being changed to set a max limit of 145 but the rules arn't being changed at all. Cotto is AGREEING to come in at 145, he's not being ordered to. It's an agreement between two fighters, both who are happy with the arrangement so what does it have to do with anybody else?

Let me clarify that some more. If Cotto came in over the 145 limit, the fight won't get cancelled, he won't have broken the WBO regulations. All that will happen is that he will have broken the contract with Manny, and would likely have to pay him lots of cash. It has nothing at all to do with the WBO or Cotto and Manny changing the max weight limits for the welterweight division, they don't have the power to do that, it's simply a seperate agreement and should Cotto violate it, he breaks the contract with Manny NOT the WBO.

It's a shame the sanctioning fees arn't being paid, although $400,000 is a lot of dough to cough up.

It wouldn't suprise me Manny really wants that belt that he might pay the fees himself?

If not, well then he probably doesn't care.

It would be nice for him to be a bonafida seven weight world champ but it doesn't really matter, people refer to Calzaghe as a two weight world champ but there was no significant belt on the line against Hopkins either.

Anyhoo, cannot wait for the fight, it's gonna be a barnburner.

[blegit]

I hope that the belt really is not on the line. If they fight at a catchweight just for the fight then thats okay but if Pac wants the welterweight title his team needs to adhere to the welterweight division range. Welterweight range is not 140.1 to 145. Its nonsensical. If Cotto weighed in at 146 then would he be stripped of his 147 title Either way, if a weight class title is on the line then no team should tell the other what part of the weight range they are allowed to put their belt up for. Its changing the rules entirely for a title fight. The rules have to be adamant. Boxing is already dirty enough. This would then open up more bull for boxing. Keep the title out of it and let the fight remain a catchweight fight.

[CGM]

Good!!

It's not on the line.


Pacquiao-Cotto: No WBO Title at Stake, Says Arum - Boxing News

There you have it. So now the people can go back to b-itching about the catchweight instead.

Hah!! The problem now is that Cotto fans are gonna see that their boy still has a belt even after he gets thumped, and it will bother them because they will know in their hearts that PAC really should be champ.

[global]

Good!!

It's not on the line.


Pacquiao-Cotto: No WBO Title at Stake, Says Arum - Boxing News

There you have it. So now the people can go back to b-itching about the catchweight instead.

Hah!! The problem now is that Cotto fans are gonna see that their boy still has a belt even after he gets thumped, and it will bother them because they will know in their hearts that PAC really should be champ.

Or it is a foot in for a rematch at 147 if Cotto loses. If the higher up really don't want Manny in with Mayweather yet, why not keep all the money again, fight would sell better than most other options even if Cotto loses a closeish decision.

[CGM]

There you have it. So now the people can go back to b-itching about the catchweight instead.

Hah!! The problem now is that Cotto fans are gonna see that their boy still has a belt even after he gets thumped, and it will bother them because they will know in their hearts that PAC really should be champ.

Or it is a foot in for a rematch at 147 if Cotto loses. If the higher up really don't want Manny in with Mayweather yet, why not keep all the money again, fight would sell better than most other options even if Cotto loses a closeish decision.

Good point, I hadn't considered that. But I don't think it will be close. And PAC won't bother with a second fight in order to take the belt, cause I don't think gives a damn about the belt in the first place, else he'd fight at 147. And I don't believe PAC or Roach really think that one or two pounds makes a difference.

[Diane]

Good!!

It's not on the line.


Pacquiao-Cotto: No WBO Title at Stake, Says Arum - Boxing News

There you have it. So now the people can go back to b-itching about the catchweight instead.

Hah!! The problem now is that Cotto fans are gonna see that their boy still has a belt even after he gets thumped, and it will bother them because they will know in their hearts that PAC really should be champ.

Wow, it must be nice to be such an authority on Cotto fans. Did you go to school for that?

You know exactly what we are going to think. How did you do that?

Look everyone, it's The Amazing Kreskin!!





Obviously I'm a Cotto fan, but I am also a fan of Manny's, and to me, this is the kind of fight that I hate that someone has to lose. If Manny comes out as the winner, and if he wins fairly, I will have no problem with it, and I will congratulate him.

And no, I won't know in my heart that Manny should be the champion "if" he wins.

They are fighting at 145, fine, I have no problem with that. Miguel feels he can make that weight comfortably, and I have to trust in his judgement, but Miguel is the one that holds the belt, and the title, and if Manny really wanted that title, then he, and his fans, should of had no problem with him fighting at the weight that the champion Cotto defends it at, which is 147.

That is all.

[CGM]

There you have it. So now the people can go back to b-itching about the catchweight instead.

Hah!! The problem now is that Cotto fans are gonna see that their boy still has a belt even after he gets thumped, and it will bother them because they will know in their hearts that PAC really should be champ.

Wow, it must be nice to be such an authority on Cotto fans. Did you go to school for that?

You know exactly what we are going to think. How did you do that?

Look everyone, it's The Amazing Kreskin!!





Obviously I'm a Cotto fan, but I am also a fan of Manny's, and to me, this is the kind of fight that I hate that someone has to lose. If Manny comes out as the winner, and if he wins fairly, I will have no problem with it, and I will congratulate him.

And no, I won't know in my heart that Manny should be the champion "if" he wins.

They are fighting at 145, fine, I have no problem with that. Miguel feels he can make that weight comfortably, and I have to trust in his judgement, but Miguel is the one that holds the belt, and the title, and if Manny really wanted that title, then he, and his fans, should of had no problem with him fighting at the weight that the champion Cotto defends it at, which is 147.

That is all.

oooh sarcasm. OK well if I was a Cotto fan, and Cotto lost at 145 to PAC, I wouldn't feel quite so proud seeing Cotto still parading around with a 147 lb belt. Cause I don't think 2 lbs makes a big difference. But that's just me, obviously some Cotto fans feel differently.

[Diane]

Hah!! The problem now is that Cotto fans are gonna see that their boy still has a belt even after he gets thumped, and it will bother them because they will know in their hearts that PAC really should be champ.

Wow, it must be nice to be such an authority on Cotto fans. Did you go to school for that?

You know exactly what we are going to think. How did you do that?

Look everyone, it's The Amazing Kreskin!!





Obviously I'm a Cotto fan, but I am also a fan of Manny's, and to me, this is the kind of fight that I hate that someone has to lose. If Manny comes out as the winner, and if he wins fairly, I will have no problem with it, and I will congratulate him.

And no, I won't know in my heart that Manny should be the champion "if" he wins.

They are fighting at 145, fine, I have no problem with that. Miguel feels he can make that weight comfortably, and I have to trust in his judgement, but Miguel is the one that holds the belt, and the title, and if Manny really wanted that title, then he, and his fans, should of had no problem with him fighting at the weight that the champion Cotto defends it at, which is 147.

That is all.

oooh sarcasm. OK well if I was a Cotto fan, and Cotto lost at 145 to PAC, I wouldn't feel quite so proud seeing Cotto still parading around with a 147 lb belt. Cause I don't think 2 lbs makes a big difference. But that's just me, obviously some Cotto fans feel differently.

Well I guess it's a good thing that you're not a Cotto fan then.

[CGM]

Wow, it must be nice to be such an authority on Cotto fans. Did you go to school for that?

You know exactly what we are going to think. How did you do that?

Look everyone, it's The Amazing Kreskin!!





Obviously I'm a Cotto fan, but I am also a fan of Manny's, and to me, this is the kind of fight that I hate that someone has to lose. If Manny comes out as the winner, and if he wins fairly, I will have no problem with it, and I will congratulate him.

And no, I won't know in my heart that Manny should be the champion "if" he wins.

They are fighting at 145, fine, I have no problem with that. Miguel feels he can make that weight comfortably, and I have to trust in his judgement, but Miguel is the one that holds the belt, and the title, and if Manny really wanted that title, then he, and his fans, should of had no problem with him fighting at the weight that the champion Cotto defends it at, which is 147.

That is all.

oooh sarcasm. OK well if I was a Cotto fan, and Cotto lost at 145 to PAC, I wouldn't feel quite so proud seeing Cotto still parading around with a 147 lb belt. Cause I don't think 2 lbs makes a big difference. But that's just me, obviously some Cotto fans feel differently.

Well I guess it's a good thing that you're not a Cotto fan then.

I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean, but I don't really care all that much. Anyways, it's got nothing to do with whether or not I'm a Cotto fan, I'd feel just the same about any boxer I was a fan of. What good is being champ when there's a guy walking around who can kick your ass? Where I come from that means something.

Personally, I don't like to see a champion fighting a non-title bout, unless he's moving up in weight.

[killersheep]

Good!!

It's not on the line.


Pacquiao-Cotto: No WBO Title at Stake, Says Arum - Boxing News

There you have it. So now the people can go back to b-itching about the catchweight instead.

I'm satisfied now.