funny I could see tyson getting tied up in a clinch eating a knee then quiting like the bitch he is. You can call Chuck's punches sloppy if you want but the guy has proven to be one of the best strikers in the world with KO's of some of the top fighters. I'd say the ends justify the means. Plus I think the better point is that an orthodox boxing style in regards to MMA striking isn't the best choice. I know I have to open up my guard and use a totally different movement and punching scheme when I spar with my MMA coach versus when I'm just sparring in a boxing ring.