David Haye, "American people in general love to doubt anybody thats not American".

[El Kabong]

Ono, I accept Calzaghe for what he is, he's the supermiddleweight version of Bernard Hopkins, he was almost Svenn Ottke in terms of not wishing to leave home to fight anybody...but he fixed that. He had luckluster wins over ancient Roy Jones Jr. and Bernard Hopkins....other than those guys the closest thing he got to fighting a big time threat was Mikkel Kessler and Jeff Lacy. Kessler has been in hiding ever since and Lacy was like David Reid, he had a glimpse of being a good fighter and then got ruined. I just think Calzaghe could have done more is all, but I think that of all the fighters of his era and right before his era: RJJ, Hopkins, Toney, Eubank, Benn, Collins, etc. they could have had the Golden Era from 160-175.

Haye isn't scared of either fighter, why would you try so hard to get a fight and then back out? No way would a fighter intentionally set out to waste a year of their career with no earnings...

My point Conrad, is that David Haye wasn't always displeased with the contract, infact there was a time he was eager to sign on. Of course then we had the "injury" and Setanta going bankrupt and then we had David Haye apparently thinking he had improved his worth on account of the "injury" and Setanta going bankrupt and he set out to find another route to the top and what do you know he's fighting the frighteningly untalented Nicolay Valuev.

David Haye's strong suit is his talk, if you listen to him, he's apparently the greatest fighter since John L. Sullivan and the most dangerous heavyweight on the scene....but if you look at his actions and his record then I say he's nothing at the heavyweight division, he's beaten Monte Barrett and Tomaz Bonnin two fighters who are good for heavyweights starting to hit the big time, but they are very vulnerable and both had been KO'd recently by less than spectacular opponents (Cliff Couser and Audley Harrison). If David Haye really was the TRUTH he would have gone after a top teir undefeated heavyweight prospect or a veteran who could either box really well like Fres Oquendo or Tony Thompson or was a power puncher like Lamon Brewster or Sam Peter.

Also we're not 100% sure this fight is even going to happen, Valuev and Haye have been very flakey recently, both refusing to fight opponents that very well could have beaten them. I would not be shocked at all if either Valuev or Haye pulled out of this fight due to getting a little nervous about what the outcome is going to be. I wouldn't be shocked if the belt Haye really wants is the British Title.

You don't have to be American to question David Haye, but is does help to not be one of his fan boys so you can see his actions clearly and without all this crap about contracts coming into question...the Klitschko's gave Haye exactly what he was worth AND since he wanted to "Rid the division of the boring Klitschko's" they gave him multiple chances to do so.

David will soon have to answer for his talking and I think he's going to find that this division isn't as fun as the cruiserweight division.

[CFH]

Ono, I accept Calzaghe for what he is, he's the supermiddleweight version of Bernard Hopkins, he was almost Svenn Ottke in terms of not wishing to leave home to fight anybody...but he fixed that. He had luckluster wins over ancient Roy Jones Jr. and Bernard Hopkins....other than those guys the closest thing he got to fighting a big time threat was Mikkel Kessler and Jeff Lacy. Kessler has been in hiding ever since and Lacy was like David Reid, he had a glimpse of being a good fighter and then got ruined. I just think Calzaghe could have done more is all, but I think that of all the fighters of his era and right before his era: RJJ, Hopkins, Toney, Eubank, Benn, Collins, etc. they could have had the Golden Era from 160-175.

Haye isn't scared of either fighter, why would you try so hard to get a fight and then back out? No way would a fighter intentionally set out to waste a year of their career with no earnings...

My point Conrad, is that David Haye wasn't always displeased with the contract, infact there was a time he was eager to sign on. Of course then we had the "injury" and Setanta going bankrupt and then we had David Haye apparently thinking he had improved his worth on account of the "injury" and Setanta going bankrupt and he set out to find another route to the top and what do you know he's fighting the frighteningly untalented Nicolay Valuev.

David Haye's strong suit is his talk, if you listen to him, he's apparently the greatest fighter since John L. Sullivan and the most dangerous heavyweight on the scene....but if you look at his actions and his record then I say he's nothing at the heavyweight division, he's beaten Monte Barrett and Tomaz Bonnin two fighters who are good for heavyweights starting to hit the big time, but they are very vulnerable and both had been KO'd recently by less than spectacular opponents (Cliff Couser and Audley Harrison). If David Haye really was the TRUTH he would have gone after a top teir undefeated heavyweight prospect or a veteran who could either box really well like Fres Oquendo or Tony Thompson or was a power puncher like Lamon Brewster or Sam Peter.

Also we're not 100% sure this fight is even going to happen, Valuev and Haye have been very flakey recently, both refusing to fight opponents that very well could have beaten them. I would not be shocked at all if either Valuev or Haye pulled out of this fight due to getting a little nervous about what the outcome is going to be. I wouldn't be shocked if the belt Haye really wants is the British Title.

You don't have to be American to question David Haye, but is does help to not be one of his fan boys so you can see his actions clearly and without all this crap about contracts coming into question...the Klitschko's gave Haye exactly what he was worth AND since he wanted to "Rid the division of the boring Klitschko's" they gave him multiple chances to do so.

David will soon have to answer for his talking and I think he's going to find that this division isn't as fun as the cruiserweight division.

I would classify either of those fights as lackluster. I feel he lost to Hopkins, but he fought a very close fight with an ATG who has had arguably his best victories immediately preceding and following that fight. Aside from the first round KD, Calzaghe dominated Jones (albeit a faded Jones) in every way possible. I think if he'd pressed the issue he would have stopped Jones.